The shiur examines two central narratives in Shemot 17: the water crisis at Refidim (known as Massa U'Merivah) and the war with Amalek. These stories are contextualized within the broader midbar (desert) sequence, which addresses three recurring themes: physical needs (particularly water), complaints and lack of trust in Hashem, and military challenges during the journey from Mitzrayim to Eretz Yisrael.
The Massa U'Merivah episode highlights the people's complaint pattern using three key verbs: vayarev (they fought), nisayon (they tested), and telunah (they complained). When the people demand water and challenge Moshe's leadership with "למה זה העליתנו ממצרים" (why did you take us out of Egypt?), Moshe fears for his life, crying out "מה אעשה לעם הזה עוד מעט וסקלוני" (what shall I do with this people? A little more and they will stone me). Hashem's response instructs Moshe to demonstrate leadership by passing before the people (עבור לפני העם), taking the elders and his staff from the makot, and striking the rock at Chorev where Hashem will stand before him.
The fundamental issue underlying these complaints is revealed in the concluding pasuk: the people's doubt expressed as "היש ה' בקרבנו אם אין" (Is Hashem among us or not?). This questioning of Hashem's presence represents the core problem throughout the midbar narratives - not the legitimate need for water, but the lack of emunah (faith) and the testing of divine providence. The juxtaposition with the Amalek story reinforces the military dimension of the desert journey, establishing a paradigm for future battles under Moshe and Yehoshua's leadership.
Shemot Chapter 17 is considerably shorter than yesterday's chapter and consists of two main stories: the story of the water at Refidim (also known as the story of Massa and Merivah), which has a corresponding story in Parshat Chukat in Sefer Bamidbar, and the story of the war with Amalek.
To understand these stories, we need to place them in the context of the midbar sequence within Sefer Shemot. The midbar sequence consistently deals with two or three major issues:
First: Food and Water
The primary concern is water, specifically, because food is probably easier to put together and save. If they have animals, they can eat them. But water is literally the thing that the desert is known for not having. If you're in the desert, you obviously don't always have water.
Second: Complaints and Testing
This relates to our discussion from yesterday about complaints—what's framed here as not having trust, as testing Hashem, testing Moshe. The complaints are about the water, but it seems to be a separate issue. As I said, it probably would have been legitimate to ask for water, but the kind of complaining, the attitude that we see here, is seen as a problem.
Third: Military Challenges
This may not necessarily be a problem of the midbar itself, but it's a problem if you think of the story of the midbar in a broader sense—which is really the military march from Mitzrayim to Canaan. That's the story of the midbar, taking it most broadly. Mitzrayim is a kind of war. They went out of Mitzrayim, they had Kriyat Yam Suf, which is a kind of battle, and then going to Eretz Yisrael will be a war with the Canaanites. Of course, there might be some people in between.
There are obviously some tribes who have dominion, some control over the desert. It's not like they went into no man's land—although in some sense the desert might have been some kind of no man's land. But as we see throughout the stories, especially later when we get to the other side of the desert (closer to Eretz Canaan), we get into all kinds of fights with Midian, with Moav, and so on.
Amalek seems to belong to that part of things. Whether Amalek is a tribe that was part of the desert closer to Mitzrayim—as is the impression you might get from this story, from where it's placed—or really Amalek is a tribe that was in the desert closer to Eretz Canaan—which is the impression you'll probably get from stories of Amalek showing up later in Tanakh when the Jews were already in Eretz Yisrael—or maybe it's a kind of nomad Bedouin tribe who travels around. Perhaps they have some kind of control over the desert but are also a raiding tribe who raids sometimes into where people live.
However you see that, it belongs to that aspect of the difficulty of going into the midbar—specifically the difficulty where they have to conquer or survive in a war sense. This is important because, as we'll see, this is the first story of an explicit war that Moshe and Yehoshua have. This is probably a paradigm for all the wars that Yehoshua especially, but also Moshe in the stories of Sefer Bamidbar, will lead with other nations or tribes.
The story starts with the formula of vayisu vayachanu—"and they journeyed and they camped." This is a formula that we have in its most formulaic expression in the famous list of 41 or 42 journeys (masaot) in Parshat Masai. Here we have something of it, and all along these stories of the midbar there are these signposts, these pesukim that give you where they went from and where they went to, literally in the same language: vayisu vayachanu.
Of course, here there are some more words, and there's probably meaning in why there are more words. In any case, they've gone from Midbar Sin, where the previous stories happened, to Refidim, which is where they are now.
The pasuk adds two things here:
First: Kol adat Bnei Yisrael—"the entire congregation of the Children of Israel." There's probably meaning in what this means. Adat Bnei Yisrael versus when it just says vayisu, or when it just says Yisrael, or kol adat—these are specific terms that have some meaning, but I can't get into this now.
Second: L'maseihem al pi Hashem—"according to their journeys by the word of Hashem." This is something that we have the long version of also in Parshat Beha'alotcha, where there are five pesukim that describe how they went al pi Hashem—what that means, whether it was with the anan (the cloud) that led them, or whether through some kind of prophecy, some kind of thing that Aharon and Moshe showed them, and so on.
That's an important emphasis here, and it seems to be important because—you'll remember that the framing of these complaints, the framing that Moshe gives to all the complaints, is that they are not al pi Hashem. You don't believe that Hashem is here. So the pasuk specifically here says that it is al pi Hashem. It's not Moshe himself deciding to travel around. It's al pi Hashem.
We start with the fight. It's important to have the language. There are two words, and later we'll see that the place is called, at the end of the story—like many stories we've discussed finish with the name of a place—Massa U'Merivah.
These are the two words which we hear all along the stories of the desert:
Merivah means literally a fight or an argument. The first thing it says is vayarev ha'am im Moshe—"the people fought with Moshe." They said, "Give us water." And Moshe answers to this, "Why are you fighting with me?" This is the second verb. That's why the place is called Merivah—they're fighting.
U'Massa—they're testing. However exactly we'll translate the word nisayon (test).
Then we really have a third verb, which isn't in the name: telunah—complaining.
So they're thirsty. First we have a little story where they fight and Moshe answers them. They're thirsty and they complain against Moshe, and they say this complaint that we have repeating in all these stories: "Lamah zeh he'elitanu miMitzrayim"—"Why did you take us out of Egypt just to kill me, my children, and my animals in thirst?"
So that's the fight, that's the massa u'merivah.
Then what does Moshe do? As he does more explicitly two stories ago, and here again explicitly, he goes to Hashem. As I explained, he complains to Hashem. And he says, and here's a new kind of complaint: "Mah e'eseh la'am hazeh? Od me'at u'sekaluni"—"What should I do with these people? A little more and they will stone me."
This is Moshe already fearing for his leadership. They're really challenging his right to be the leader. They're saying, "Why did you take us out of Egypt?" And Moshe seems to have gotten scared. We know that sekilah (stoning) is a kind of mob justice that we find several times in Tanakh. That's what happens when the people sort of mutiny against their leader—they might stone him. And he seems to think that this is really what's going to happen.
Really, Moshe, when he goes back to Hashem, is saying: I believe that it's You that sent me here, but look, You put me in danger and You're not actually providing water. What should I do?
Therefore, Hashem answers not only the people but also Moshe. Of course, this has to do with the second version or second occurrence of this story, where it's explicitly said to be a sin of Moshe also for not having enough trust. But I think that even over here we could see that there's something where Moshe himself becomes part of the complaint, becomes part of the fight. Because vayitzak Moshe el Hashem always means it includes some kind of complaint that he has against Hashem, where he's saying something like: Why did you send me to these stiff-necked people? What should I do with them?
Therefore, Hashem answers not only to Moshe to answer the people, but He also answers Moshe what to do:
"Avor lifnei ha'am"—"Pass by in front of the people." This is military language. In other words, you're the leader, so you have to pass by in front of them. You know how to lead them. I'm telling you how to lead them.
"V'kach itcha mizikneי Yisrael"—"Take along from the elders of Israel." We find that throughout these stories there are these elders, the tribal elders, who are really the leaders of the people. They're the ones who the main leader, like Moshe, has to really convince that he's the leader. Take them along, like we had in the story of Pharaoh—you took them along.
"U'matcha asher hikita bo et haYe'or kach b'yadcha v'halachta"—"And take along the stick with which you have hit the water in Egypt." Remember the story of the makot? This is really the stick that he received at the Sneh, the first time—Moshe's magic staff. Take it along and you will go.
"Hineni omed l'fanecha sham al hatzur b'Chorev"—"I will be there for you in front. I will be standing in front of you on the rock in Chorev." Chorev obviously is in Refidim or next to Refidim.
"V'hikita vatzur v'yatzu mimenu mayim v'shatah ha'am"—"You will hit the rock and water will come out and the people will drink."
So this is basically Hashem telling Moshe, in a very similar way to how we had in Mitzrayim: Moshe complains to Hashem, "Why did you send me?" and Hashem gives him the stick and gives him the power to create some kind of miracles to provide to the people. And He says, "You will go and I will be there for you"—meaning to say, I will help you, or maybe I'm showing you that I'm there, maybe the people will see that I'm there in some sense. And you will get them water out of the rock.
And that's what he does. The elders see, and he succeeds.
That's the end of the story. We only end with a postscript note which says that the place was called Massa U'Merivah because of the riv (fight) and the massa (test). And the pasuk here finally says—this is I think the most explicit pasuk to explain what this test was, or what this riv was, why we call this testing Hashem or not trusting Hashem—because they said, they were doubting, they were saying: "Ha'yesh Hashem b'kirbenu im ayin?"—"Is Hashem with us? Is He between us? Is He with us, or is He not?"
And this is the thing that bothers Hashem the most. This is what the pasuk is bothered by in all these stories of nisyonot (tests). This is what the testing consists of.
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The shiur examines two central narratives in Shemot 17: the water crisis at Refidim (known as Massa U'Merivah) and the war with Amalek. These stories are contextualized within the broader midbar (desert) sequence, which addresses three recurring themes: physical needs (particularly water), complaints and lack of trust in Hashem, and military challenges during the journey from Mitzrayim to Eretz Yisrael.
The Massa U'Merivah episode highlights the people's complaint pattern using three key verbs: vayarev (they fought), nisayon (they tested), and telunah (they complained). When the people demand water and challenge Moshe's leadership with "למה זה העליתנו ממצרים" (why did you take us out of Egypt?), Moshe fears for his life, crying out "מה אעשה לעם הזה עוד מעט וסקלוני" (what shall I do with this people? A little more and they will stone me). Hashem's response instructs Moshe to demonstrate leadership by passing before the people (עבור לפני העם), taking the elders and his staff from the makot, and striking the rock at Chorev where Hashem will stand before him.
The fundamental issue underlying these complaints is revealed in the concluding pasuk: the people's doubt expressed as "היש ה' בקרבנו אם אין" (Is Hashem among us or not?). This questioning of Hashem's presence represents the core problem throughout the midbar narratives - not the legitimate need for water, but the lack of emunah (faith) and the testing of divine providence. The juxtaposition with the Amalek story reinforces the military dimension of the desert journey, establishing a paradigm for future battles under Moshe and Yehoshua's leadership.
Shemot Chapter 17 is considerably shorter than yesterday's chapter and consists of two main stories: the story of the water at Refidim (also known as the story of Massa and Merivah), which has a corresponding story in Parshat Chukat in Sefer Bamidbar, and the story of the war with Amalek.
To understand these stories, we need to place them in the context of the midbar sequence within Sefer Shemot. The midbar sequence consistently deals with two or three major issues:
First: Food and Water
The primary concern is water, specifically, because food is probably easier to put together and save. If they have animals, they can eat them. But water is literally the thing that the desert is known for not having. If you're in the desert, you obviously don't always have water.
Second: Complaints and Testing
This relates to our discussion from yesterday about complaints—what's framed here as not having trust, as testing Hashem, testing Moshe. The complaints are about the water, but it seems to be a separate issue. As I said, it probably would have been legitimate to ask for water, but the kind of complaining, the attitude that we see here, is seen as a problem.
Third: Military Challenges
This may not necessarily be a problem of the midbar itself, but it's a problem if you think of the story of the midbar in a broader sense—which is really the military march from Mitzrayim to Canaan. That's the story of the midbar, taking it most broadly. Mitzrayim is a kind of war. They went out of Mitzrayim, they had Kriyat Yam Suf, which is a kind of battle, and then going to Eretz Yisrael will be a war with the Canaanites. Of course, there might be some people in between.
There are obviously some tribes who have dominion, some control over the desert. It's not like they went into no man's land—although in some sense the desert might have been some kind of no man's land. But as we see throughout the stories, especially later when we get to the other side of the desert (closer to Eretz Canaan), we get into all kinds of fights with Midian, with Moav, and so on.
Amalek seems to belong to that part of things. Whether Amalek is a tribe that was part of the desert closer to Mitzrayim—as is the impression you might get from this story, from where it's placed—or really Amalek is a tribe that was in the desert closer to Eretz Canaan—which is the impression you'll probably get from stories of Amalek showing up later in Tanakh when the Jews were already in Eretz Yisrael—or maybe it's a kind of nomad Bedouin tribe who travels around. Perhaps they have some kind of control over the desert but are also a raiding tribe who raids sometimes into where people live.
However you see that, it belongs to that aspect of the difficulty of going into the midbar—specifically the difficulty where they have to conquer or survive in a war sense. This is important because, as we'll see, this is the first story of an explicit war that Moshe and Yehoshua have. This is probably a paradigm for all the wars that Yehoshua especially, but also Moshe in the stories of Sefer Bamidbar, will lead with other nations or tribes.
The story starts with the formula of vayisu vayachanu—"and they journeyed and they camped." This is a formula that we have in its most formulaic expression in the famous list of 41 or 42 journeys (masaot) in Parshat Masai. Here we have something of it, and all along these stories of the midbar there are these signposts, these pesukim that give you where they went from and where they went to, literally in the same language: vayisu vayachanu.
Of course, here there are some more words, and there's probably meaning in why there are more words. In any case, they've gone from Midbar Sin, where the previous stories happened, to Refidim, which is where they are now.
The pasuk adds two things here:
First: Kol adat Bnei Yisrael—"the entire congregation of the Children of Israel." There's probably meaning in what this means. Adat Bnei Yisrael versus when it just says vayisu, or when it just says Yisrael, or kol adat—these are specific terms that have some meaning, but I can't get into this now.
Second: L'maseihem al pi Hashem—"according to their journeys by the word of Hashem." This is something that we have the long version of also in Parshat Beha'alotcha, where there are five pesukim that describe how they went al pi Hashem—what that means, whether it was with the anan (the cloud) that led them, or whether through some kind of prophecy, some kind of thing that Aharon and Moshe showed them, and so on.
That's an important emphasis here, and it seems to be important because—you'll remember that the framing of these complaints, the framing that Moshe gives to all the complaints, is that they are not al pi Hashem. You don't believe that Hashem is here. So the pasuk specifically here says that it is al pi Hashem. It's not Moshe himself deciding to travel around. It's al pi Hashem.
We start with the fight. It's important to have the language. There are two words, and later we'll see that the place is called, at the end of the story—like many stories we've discussed finish with the name of a place—Massa U'Merivah.
These are the two words which we hear all along the stories of the desert:
Merivah means literally a fight or an argument. The first thing it says is vayarev ha'am im Moshe—"the people fought with Moshe." They said, "Give us water." And Moshe answers to this, "Why are you fighting with me?" This is the second verb. That's why the place is called Merivah—they're fighting.
U'Massa—they're testing. However exactly we'll translate the word nisayon (test).
Then we really have a third verb, which isn't in the name: telunah—complaining.
So they're thirsty. First we have a little story where they fight and Moshe answers them. They're thirsty and they complain against Moshe, and they say this complaint that we have repeating in all these stories: "Lamah zeh he'elitanu miMitzrayim"—"Why did you take us out of Egypt just to kill me, my children, and my animals in thirst?"
So that's the fight, that's the massa u'merivah.
Then what does Moshe do? As he does more explicitly two stories ago, and here again explicitly, he goes to Hashem. As I explained, he complains to Hashem. And he says, and here's a new kind of complaint: "Mah e'eseh la'am hazeh? Od me'at u'sekaluni"—"What should I do with these people? A little more and they will stone me."
This is Moshe already fearing for his leadership. They're really challenging his right to be the leader. They're saying, "Why did you take us out of Egypt?" And Moshe seems to have gotten scared. We know that sekilah (stoning) is a kind of mob justice that we find several times in Tanakh. That's what happens when the people sort of mutiny against their leader—they might stone him. And he seems to think that this is really what's going to happen.
Really, Moshe, when he goes back to Hashem, is saying: I believe that it's You that sent me here, but look, You put me in danger and You're not actually providing water. What should I do?
Therefore, Hashem answers not only the people but also Moshe. Of course, this has to do with the second version or second occurrence of this story, where it's explicitly said to be a sin of Moshe also for not having enough trust. But I think that even over here we could see that there's something where Moshe himself becomes part of the complaint, becomes part of the fight. Because vayitzak Moshe el Hashem always means it includes some kind of complaint that he has against Hashem, where he's saying something like: Why did you send me to these stiff-necked people? What should I do with them?
Therefore, Hashem answers not only to Moshe to answer the people, but He also answers Moshe what to do:
"Avor lifnei ha'am"—"Pass by in front of the people." This is military language. In other words, you're the leader, so you have to pass by in front of them. You know how to lead them. I'm telling you how to lead them.
"V'kach itcha mizikneי Yisrael"—"Take along from the elders of Israel." We find that throughout these stories there are these elders, the tribal elders, who are really the leaders of the people. They're the ones who the main leader, like Moshe, has to really convince that he's the leader. Take them along, like we had in the story of Pharaoh—you took them along.
"U'matcha asher hikita bo et haYe'or kach b'yadcha v'halachta"—"And take along the stick with which you have hit the water in Egypt." Remember the story of the makot? This is really the stick that he received at the Sneh, the first time—Moshe's magic staff. Take it along and you will go.
"Hineni omed l'fanecha sham al hatzur b'Chorev"—"I will be there for you in front. I will be standing in front of you on the rock in Chorev." Chorev obviously is in Refidim or next to Refidim.
"V'hikita vatzur v'yatzu mimenu mayim v'shatah ha'am"—"You will hit the rock and water will come out and the people will drink."
So this is basically Hashem telling Moshe, in a very similar way to how we had in Mitzrayim: Moshe complains to Hashem, "Why did you send me?" and Hashem gives him the stick and gives him the power to create some kind of miracles to provide to the people. And He says, "You will go and I will be there for you"—meaning to say, I will help you, or maybe I'm showing you that I'm there, maybe the people will see that I'm there in some sense. And you will get them water out of the rock.
And that's what he does. The elders see, and he succeeds.
That's the end of the story. We only end with a postscript note which says that the place was called Massa U'Merivah because of the riv (fight) and the massa (test). And the pasuk here finally says—this is I think the most explicit pasuk to explain what this test was, or what this riv was, why we call this testing Hashem or not trusting Hashem—because they said, they were doubting, they were saying: "Ha'yesh Hashem b'kirbenu im ayin?"—"Is Hashem with us? Is He between us? Is He with us, or is He not?"
And this is the thing that bothers Hashem the most. This is what the pasuk is bothered by in all these stories of nisyonot (tests). This is what the testing consists of.
✨ Transcript automatically generated using LLM transcriptions and editing (OpenAI Whisper + Claude Sonnet 4.5 + Claude Opus 4)
Originally published on May 9, 2022 at 11:01 PM, reissued on December 1, 2025 at 12:00 AM