Becoming stupider in order to think

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this okay our Pro program is like okay our Pro program is like this in the most General sense our program is based on the presumption that that we can understand presumption that that we can understand some things and things and especially many of the things especially many of the things that we learn as part of the tradition that we learn as part of the tradition Jewish tradition and general Jewish tradition and general tradition and many of the things that we tradition and many of the things that we learn whatever you got to learn if it’s learn whatever you got to learn if it’s Lam or if it’s later SPM or older Lam or if it’s later SPM or older SPM um there tends to be a very big SPM um there tends to be a very big disconnect between the way in which we disconnect between the way in which we think um immediately like in intuitive think um immediately like in intuitive way or regular way when you ask me what way or regular way when you ask me what I think and the kind of things that we I think and the kind of things that we read in the in the read in the in the tradition not about the things like if tradition not about the things like if the says you should be angry or not the says you should be angry or not angry or if he says there’s a matter and angry or if he says there’s a matter and form whatever kind of things he says form whatever kind of things he says whether it’s in ethics or metaphysics or whether it’s in ethics or metaphysics or in physics or in even in t in physics or in even in t ultimately um we tend to misunderstand ultimately um we tend to misunderstand or not have the tools to understand not or not have the tools to understand not the things that he says we can defend the things that he says we can defend the things that that he says sometimes the things that that he says sometimes by various ways but we tend to not to by various ways but we tend to not to miss the kind of things that he says we miss the kind of things that he says we tend to not understand at all where this tend to not understand at all where this person is coming from at all right as an person is coming from at all right as an example I’m I’m sorry for get something example I’m I’m sorry for get something that it’s not really our subject now that it’s not really our subject now just because I have a from that you have just because I have a from that you have to talk about whatever you learn in the to talk about whatever you learn in the morning you have to talk about the by morning you have to talk about the by night that’s what he said just because night that’s what he said just because otherwise we’re speaking like a it’s not otherwise we’re speaking like a it’s not like AA like Isa you have first the like AA like Isa you have first the Shiva learns his she and then he just Shiva learns his she and then he just whatever he learned he tells you in the whatever he learned he tells you in the she cly she cly so this is actually the schedule of so this is actually the schedule of every serious uh teacher of learning every serious uh teacher of learning ever I’ve read about PR list for example ever I’ve read about PR list for example whatever I’m reading that’s how the S whatever I’m reading that’s how the S worked like in the morning they would worked like in the morning they would have a s they would read Plato and then have a s they would read Plato and then at night would write it down or like at night would write it down or like if anyways so for example there’s like if anyways so for example there’s like all the kind of statements for example all the kind of statements for example theum has a statement a very popular theum has a statement a very popular statement it’s actually like across statement it’s actually like across everyone that talks about theology that everyone that talks about theology that God is the knower and the known and the God is the knower and the known and the knowing remember or sometimes remember or sometimes called are the same words in different called are the same words in different like registers of Hebrew right in like registers of Hebrew right in Biblical Hebrew and and something more Biblical Hebrew and and something more like M Hebrew at least or Biblical like M Hebrew at least or Biblical Hebrew you have to say Dua and then Hebrew you have to say Dua and then something more philosophical you something more philosophical you say there’s are the same exact things say there’s are the same exact things um and it’s quoted in it’s also in the um and it’s quoted in it’s also in the end of this book and end of talks about end of this book and end of talks about it and it and it’s those are three places popular it’s those are three places popular places that quotes it I think is there places that quotes it I think is there more and anyone that read any book about more and anyone that read any book about I mean it’s there’s a chapter about it in where he tries to explain it in where he tries to explain it somehow and in general anyone that somehow and in general anyone that opened if you like read R you’ll find it opened if you like read R you’ll find it if you read any often when they try to justify certain often when they try to justify certain things they refer to this kind of things they refer to this kind of principle or this slogan God is the principle or this slogan God is the knower the known and the knower the known and the knowing okay now this is so and if knowing okay now this is so and if you’re a little bit of a historian which you’re a little bit of a historian which is like the next step like first could is like the next step like first could be PL a person that just knows that be PL a person that just knows that that’s what it says and that’s fine that’s what it says and that’s fine right and then you could right and then you could be as we have a long sheet about this be as we have a long sheet about this time and lwood are historians time and lwood are historians always and they know that this is a always and they know that this is a statement that Aristotle made statement that Aristotle made up specifically in his book metaphysics up specifically in his book metaphysics book Lambda or book 12 chapter 7 and book Lambda or book 12 chapter 7 and chapter 9 this is where it says that God chapter 9 this is where it says that God is thinking thinking thinking that is is thinking thinking thinking that is the most literal translation of what he the most literal translation of what he says thinking thinking thinking say says thinking thinking thinking say that and he Al he calls it God that and he Al he calls it God explicitly maybe some people will explicitly maybe some people will disagree with that also and showing so disagree with that also and showing so now you know that this is artian now you know that this is artian principle and since we don’t hold the principle and since we don’t hold the aristotles we can ignore it or we could aristotles we can ignore it or we could so on now the problem on now the problem is you can agree with this or not agree is you can agree with this or not agree with this and we we even have a like a with this and we we even have a like a whole tradition which is actually also whole tradition which is actually also an ancient tradition but especially in an ancient tradition but especially in if you read like the Jewish context if you read like the Jewish context there’s a tradition of disagreeing with there’s a tradition of disagreeing with this for various reasons and saying what this for various reasons and saying what do you mean don’t we say that don’t we do you mean don’t we say that don’t we say that God isn’t anything or nothing say that God isn’t anything or nothing can be predicated of him known as can be predicated of him known as negative theology no predications work negative theology no predications work for God any sentence that starts with for God any sentence that starts with God is is God is is illegal uh so how could you say God is illegal uh so how could you say God is thought that’s a very ancient question thought that’s a very ancient question or in some sense would not be different or in some sense would not be different to say the in to say the in a the verb that God is a the verb that God is thinking yeah God is the verb he is it thinking yeah God is the verb he is it but he’s doing it yeah but that that’s but he’s doing it yeah but that that’s not what Dr says you could say that not what Dr says you could say that that’s something that some people say that’s something that some people say that God is doing thinking but thinking that God is doing thinking but thinking is not a doing or not the kind of doing is not a doing or not the kind of doing and ends up just being another thing and ends up just being another thing that he does and then it’s not correct that he does and then it’s not correct for other for other reasons you could say that people say reasons you could say that people say that but it’s actually not what the that but it’s actually not what the statement is trying to say that statement is trying to say that considered part of negative uh negative considered part of negative uh negative theology you could say that but in theology you could say that but in context it’s explicitly against that context it’s explicitly against that negative theology says we don’t say God negative theology says we don’t say God is anything and this does say it I mean is anything and this does say it I mean the the the doesn’t think I don’t think the the the doesn’t think I don’t think it’s real contradiction but I’m just it’s real contradiction but I’m just saying is this is a very old saying is this is a very old question um the problem is that you question um the problem is that you could say that but then you end up could say that but then you end up having two things right like uh all um having two things right like uh all um anyone that talks about verbs or actions anyone that talks about verbs or actions says agrees that these are two things says agrees that these are two things right God and his actions are two things right God and his actions are two things and part I didn’t finish this sentence and part I didn’t finish this sentence really like part of the slogan that says really like part of the slogan that says God is thinking thinking thinking this God is thinking thinking thinking this slogan finishes and this is also slogan finishes and this is also straight from Aristotle says and these straight from Aristotle says and these three things are the same thing and three things are the same thing and obviously God and his actions are not obviously God and his actions are not the same the same thing the things that he does they’re thing the things that he does they’re not the same thing as him so therefore not the same thing as him so therefore that doesn’t really work to call her an that doesn’t really work to call her an action unless you want to make knowing action unless you want to make knowing into an action but then you can’t have into an action but then you can’t have it being the same thing and that’s it being the same thing and that’s actually a second very popular question actually a second very popular question that you find in various sources where that you find in various sources where they disagree with this and say this they disagree with this and say this can’t be because thinking thinking can’t be because thinking thinking thinking is three things and as much as thinking is three things and as much as you deny and say it’s the same thing you deny and say it’s the same thing that’s incorrect so that can’t really be that’s incorrect so that can’t really be true of God because God is in three true of God because God is in three things or anything more than one thing which is or anything more than one thing which is itself really the same question because itself really the same question because that’s what negative theology was all that’s what negative theology was all about saying that God isn’t more than about saying that God isn’t more than one thing okay or isn’t complex one thing okay or isn’t complex right now this are all nice SLE thir right now this are all nice SLE thir everyone to talk about them the B is everyone to talk about them the B is that has nothing to do with anything and that has nothing to do with anything and nobody really knows okay so I want to nobody really knows okay so I want to know I have a different question okay know I have a different question okay why would anyone want to come up with why would anyone want to come up with this weird this weird statement what’s the point of it if you statement what’s the point of it if you read like if you read this statement in read like if you read this statement in in the later context you sometimes you in the later context you sometimes you can have the impression that like this can have the impression that like this statement was a way of making God being statement was a way of making God being able to know things although knowing is able to know things although knowing is an action and something else but saying an action and something else but saying that it’s the same thing or some kind of that it’s the same thing or some kind of trick where two things can be one some trick where two things can be one some kind of Trinity deal or something like kind of Trinity deal or something like that people have used this this way also that people have used this this way also for a very long time it’s not like a new for a very long time it’s not like a new thing says yeah then much be before him thing says yeah then much be before him the Christian colum theologians already the Christian colum theologians already already figured out that you could use already figured out that you could use this it’s a very old very old trick uh this it’s a very old very old trick uh but obviously that’s maybe now we can but obviously that’s maybe now we can discuss if that works or that doesn’t discuss if that works or that doesn’t work but again that’s work but again that’s missing the actual meaning or the actual missing the actual meaning or the actual context or the actual what this is even context or the actual what this is even about right it’s not like I say if you about right it’s not like I say if you take this as a claim he is this this take this as a claim he is this this this is the sentence this is what we this is the sentence this is what we claim we could agree with it or disagree claim we could agree with it or disagree with it but what I’m pretty sure and with it but what I’m pretty sure and this is historically true right this is this is historically true right this is where staris breaks itself it’s stally where staris breaks itself it’s stally true that this is not ever why this was true that this is not ever why this was ever ENT the Lexicon nobody ever or ever ENT the Lexicon nobody ever or Aristotle really right and his school Aristotle really right and his school who came up with this idea didn’t come who came up with this idea didn’t come up with it in order to explain God’s up with it in order to explain God’s Unity although he has different actions Unity although he has different actions or different knowledges that wasn’t the or different knowledges that wasn’t the problem it’s the opp the way around with problem it’s the opp the way around with ar came up with this and then monus got ar came up with this and then monus got into this and discussion in their into this and discussion in their theological language of this does this theological language of this does this match what we call God’s Unity or match what we call God’s Unity or not and what and now this of course you not and what and now this of course you could say okay but we’re we only care could say okay but we’re we only care about it in the like second transfigured about it in the like second transfigured context where it becomes that question context where it becomes that question but that’s not either true because all but that’s not either true because all the theologians all the Rams and all the the theologians all the Rams and all the people arguing with him who are people arguing with him who are struggling with this they’re struggling struggling with this they’re struggling with it because they are thinking in the with it because they are thinking in the world picture that Aristotle is thinking world picture that Aristotle is thinking in and then of course they have to match in and then of course they have to match it with their structures of thought with it with their structures of thought with their kinds of ways of thinking and they their kinds of ways of thinking and they like dogmas but you can’t understand like dogmas but you can’t understand what they at least obviously understood what they at least obviously understood what they’re talking about it wasn’t what they’re talking about it wasn’t like the whole question starts because like the whole question starts because it’s a line we have to make it with it’s a line we have to make it with another line that wasn’t ever the another line that wasn’t ever the discussion right and therefore there’s discussion right and therefore there’s the only way to figure to get past this is you need to at least read Aristotle is you need to at least read Aristotle and but you need to even do more than and but you need to even do more than that you need to try to understand what that you need to try to understand what is motivating him right why why in the is motivating him right why why in the world did he like what does he want for world did he like what does he want for my life why would someone say such a my life why would someone say such a funny thing like what’s the point of funny thing like what’s the point of this and what kind of framework of this and what kind of framework of thought does this mean thought does this mean anything what pushes out to this then we anything what pushes out to this then we could start comparing to other systems could start comparing to other systems and trying to see if it’s true and and trying to see if it’s true and things like that and it seems to me that things like that and it seems to me that almost universally this is where like almost universally this is where like story that was time comes in it’s almost story that was time comes in it’s almost universally after a certain like Year universally after a certain like Year everyone forgot all of everyone forgot all of this and everyone is like playing around this and everyone is like playing around with Words which don’t really have any with Words which don’t really have any meaning is this correct when is this meaning is this correct when is this point in time oh that we were discussing point in time oh that we were discussing it doesn’t matter at some point when was it doesn’t matter at some point when was born serious about this I yeah who many born serious about this I yeah who many is serious about this this just a is serious about this this just a premise that is behind everything no premise that is behind everything no is yeah but I don’t I don’t know if I is yeah but I don’t I don’t know if I agree with what I said there and so on agree with what I said there and so on so yeah it’s a question how this so yeah it’s a question how this happened but the the fact that it happened but the the fact that it happens every every time we read Ram we happens every every time we read Ram we read any book that was written before read any book that was written before 1600 and many books written after 1600 and many books written after too uh we notice that we some of the too uh we notice that we some of the things are plausible some of the things things are plausible some of the things are not some of the things seem true are not some of the things seem true some of the things seem to match what it some of the things seem to match what it says in different s some of don’t but we says in different s some of don’t but we have no idea what they want from our have no idea what they want from our life and that is a whole different life and that is a whole different problem right and the premise that we have or right and the premise that we have or the hope that we have is that we could the hope that we have is that we could somewhat in a very basic way get at what somewhat in a very basic way get at what this is about in other words just like you can about in other words just like you can talk to anyone in 2024 and they seem to talk to anyone in 2024 and they seem to be interested if they’re in electric if be interested if they’re in electric if they’re curious and if they like have they’re curious and if they like have some background knowledge but they can some background knowledge but they can be curious to all kind of you know be curious to all kind of you know contemporary questions right contemporary questions right these are things that people care about these are things that people care about questions that people care about like I questions that people care about like I don’t know what are the questions I don’t know what are the questions I forgot read the questions people care forgot read the questions people care about these days something something about these days something something something ai ai Consciousness yeah something ai ai Consciousness yeah whatever exactly whatever exactly yeah yeah that’s very good example but yeah yeah that’s very good example but it’s so complicated that we’re kind of it’s so complicated that we’re kind of talking about but anyways yeah people talking about but anyways yeah people are seem to be worried if their computer are seem to be worried if their computer is smarter than them or something like is smarter than them or something like that and if I’ll give a about that that and if I’ll give a about that probably people will watch it so maybe I probably people will watch it so maybe I should cuz you got to meet people where should cuz you got to meet people where they are but any case is are but any case is um obviously it’s obviously true that um obviously it’s obviously true that this is a question that wouldn’t have this is a question that wouldn’t have bothered any well okay it’s there’s some bothered any well okay it’s there’s some like Innovation going on so maybe but in like Innovation going on so maybe but in any case people are worried about that any case people are worried about that but if I come and tell you that I don’t but if I come and tell you that I don’t understand how what was the old what’s understand how what was the old what’s the ancient the ancient question uh how many waste something is question uh how many waste something is caed okay no that’s already too much of caed okay no that’s already too much of an answer I have to make you wonder an answer I have to make you wonder about something more basic about something more basic which is this is the soul yeah what which is this is the soul yeah what what’s the soul no you’re already using what’s the soul no you’re already using the word that nobody knows what it means the word that nobody knows what it means and nobody ever knew what it means so is and nobody ever knew what it means so is a word that picks out something we a word that picks out something we notice so what I have to ask you is notice so what I have to ask you is something [Music] like how come no I’ll give you a a very like how come no I’ll give you a a very basic question just sort of the spasis basic question just sort of the spasis of many questions uh how come there of many questions uh how come there is in some way everything is the same is in some way everything is the same and in other ways they’re different so and in other ways they’re different so are they the same or are they different are they the same or are they different is there one thing or many is there one thing or many things yeah or something changed by things yeah or something changed by something that’s like yeah yeah but something that’s like yeah yeah but again all the trees are trees so there’s again all the trees are trees so there’s only one tree but there’s obviously many only one tree but there’s obviously many trees so I’m very confused now that’s the oldest question right now that’s the oldest question right that is the oldest question yeah in some that is the oldest question yeah in some sense yeah and if you don’t like lose sense yeah and if you don’t like lose sleep over this question you’re never sleep over this question you’re never going to understand anything that anyone going to understand anything that anyone ever said besides for the card cuz he ever said besides for the card cuz he didn’t wasn’t bothered by this question didn’t wasn’t bothered by this question but everyone until him or maybe he was I but everyone until him or maybe he was I don’t know not the kind of question he’s don’t know not the kind of question he’s thinking of thinking of right and there right so what we’re trying and there right so what we’re trying proposing to do is not just to do like proposing to do is not just to do like you know archaeology of knowledge and you know archaeology of knowledge and try to figure out how people thought as try to figure out how people thought as an historical Relic or as some kind of an historical Relic or as some kind of thing like that but we claim something thing like that but we claim something even more than that we claim that it’s even more than that we claim that it’s possible well there’s two ways to say possible well there’s two ways to say this one is that you could be this one is that you could be old-fashioned maybe the questions in other words maybe maybe the questions in other words maybe the questions or the constructs of the questions or the constructs of thought the ways of thinking the ways of thought the ways of thinking the ways of seeing really that our seeing really that our ancient are true or maybe they’re just ancient are true or maybe they’re just as valid as as more modern as valid as as more modern ways maybe they’re even more valid but ways maybe they’re even more valid but at least they could be valid what okay number step two that valid what okay number step two that what’s his name wrote a book about that what’s his name wrote a book about that but yeah maybe that’s it’s not really whatever maybe that’s it’s not really whatever but any case uh maybe they are still but any case uh maybe they are still they work right unlike and now what’s they work right unlike and now what’s the point what’s the goal of getting to the point what’s the goal of getting to this I’m not we have to think about but this I’m not we have to think about but maybe they work at least they can be maybe they work at least they can be understood right they cannot be only understood right they cannot be only told or talked about or like said as a told or talked about or like said as a story of people what someone once story of people what someone once thought it can actually be thought right thought it can actually be thought right there’s a very big difference between there’s a very big difference between telling a story of what someone thought telling a story of what someone thought and thinking it right known as the and thinking it right known as the different the history of philosophy and different the history of philosophy and philosophy so maybe they can be thought philosophy so maybe they can be thought even even if you don’t right and this is even even if you don’t right and this is not not obligating ourselves to not not obligating ourselves to believing it or to accepting it but at believing it or to accepting it but at least to understanding it then we can least to understanding it then we can think if there’s really a difference think if there’s really a difference between those two things and secondly between those two things and secondly which is more interesting to me which is which is more interesting to me which is maybe and in this sense it might be maybe and in this sense it might be shared with some Modern people shared with some Modern people maybe these kind of ways of thinking or maybe these kind of ways of thinking or really ways of wondering and then trying really ways of wondering and then trying to figure out what’s going on are a lot to figure out what’s going on are a lot more basic a lot more babyish a lot more basic a lot more babyish a lot more childish than all the fancy ways which childish than all the fancy ways which we are taught to think which is not we are taught to think which is not really thinking at all meaning to say what do I mean what I all meaning to say what do I mean what I mean is that we since we’re so mean is that we since we’re so sophisticated and smart inherit from our smart inherit from our education a whole bunch of Concepts education a whole bunch of Concepts and words whose main goal is to stop us and words whose main goal is to stop us from thinking that was not their original thinking that was not their original goal but that’s what they do right for goal but that’s what they do right for example oh this no I’m not going to say example oh this no I’m not going to say nominalism but for example if I go around asking someone to example if I go around asking someone to give me like you know sacus used to go give me like you know sacus used to go around asking people to give them the around asking people to give them the definitions of definitions of things what is your little sister who 6 things what is your little sister who 6 years old tell years old tell you Adams no no well no that’s not no you Adams no no well no that’s not no that’s that’s they would say something that’s that’s they would say something like oh the the like oh the the sister it’s semantics right if I go around asking people what right if I go around asking people what is differ in a horse and a shoe people is differ in a horse and a shoe people say well this is what we call horse and say well this is what we call horse and that’s what we call Shoe and if you want that’s what we call Shoe and if you want you could call it the you could call it the opposite now this might be a true opposite now this might be a true philosophy I’m not even argu disagreeing philosophy I’m not even argu disagreeing with it but it’s for sure a very complex with it but it’s for sure a very complex system of thought that we pretend it’s system of thought that we pretend it’s just obvious but it’s not at all obvious just obvious but it’s not at all obvious cuz like what did what does semantics cuz like what did what does semantics mean and whenever I start doing this I mean and whenever I start doing this I just start stoling people I’m like just start stoling people I’m like what it’s a matter of what you what does what it’s a matter of what you what does that even mean I just that’s to a basic that even mean I just that’s to a basic question can you tell me the difference question can you tell me the difference between these two things and you tell me between these two things and you tell me so you’re saying there’s no difference so you’re saying there’s no difference are they the same thing well you can are they the same thing well you can call it yes so if I decide to call them call it yes so if I decide to call them the same word they’re going to become the same word they’re going to become the same thing is that what you mean to the same thing is that what you mean to claim cuz that seems like a very weird claim cuz that seems like a very weird claim nobody really agrees claim nobody really agrees with or are you so what are you saying I can give you a different like I saying I can give you a different like I some I can give you a simple example some I can give you a simple example like what’s the difference between like what’s the difference between walking and walking and running depends why you’re asking that running depends why you’re asking that question okay that’s also a very question okay that’s also a very sophisticated answer no I just there’s sophisticated answer no I just there’s people sometimes people walk and people sometimes people walk and sometimes they run and I want to know sometimes they run and I want to know the difference what you’re telling me the difference what you’re telling me somehow Theory which is like that somehow Theory which is like that there’s no difference you’re saying there’s no difference you’re saying there’s no difference what’s your what’s there’s no difference what’s your what’s your question what’s the difference if your question what’s the difference if we could play the game you ask me a we could play the game you ask me a question what’s the difference yeah and question what’s the difference yeah and I ask you what do you want to know I I ask you what do you want to know I just want to know what these things are just want to know what these things are I could show you okay and then can you I could show you okay and then can you explain it to me explain it to me also dep depends on what level I’m also dep depends on what level I’m actually not sure you can show it to me actually not sure you can show it to me because maybe you’ll when you’ll be because maybe you’ll when you’ll be showing me walking it’ll really be showing me walking it’ll really be running so we have to first know what it running so we have to first know what it is right well I can show you two is right well I can show you two different things and tell you the labels different things and tell you the labels that they both have okay so this is so that they both have okay so this is so so you claim that there’s no real so you claim that there’s no real difference it’s just we can label difference it’s just we can label whatever we want there is a real whatever we want there is a real difference so what is it depend why you difference so what is it depend why you want or know depends on what level I can want or know depends on what level I can tell you on the me mechanistic level I tell you on the me mechanistic level I can tell you on on the output level you can tell you on on the output level you know there’s different there’s different know there’s different there’s different it depends on it depends on afina he ask the afina he ask the thing I don’t know what I don’t know thing I don’t know what I don’t know what enough is by the way just use a what enough is by the way just use a very fancy concept that comes from the very fancy concept that comes from the talud I think I don’t know what it is talud I think I don’t know what it is I’m a little boy yeah are you asking about the thing yeah are you asking about the thing itself or or why do we refer to it in itself or or why do we refer to it in this specific in this way no I’m asking this specific in this way no I’m asking well see you see firstly you talk what well see you see firstly you talk what you’re you all have this is amazing you you’re you all have this is amazing you all have this like really really all have this like really really sophisticated and unnatural maybe even sophisticated and unnatural maybe even wrong I don’t even know if it’s wrong wrong I don’t even know if it’s wrong but it’s definitely this really but it’s definitely this really elaborate just basic way of elaborate just basic way of understanding words I’m pretty sure that understanding words I’m pretty sure that that’s not how I actually understand that’s not how I actually understand words cuz you’re used to it I don’t words cuz you’re used to it I don’t think we’re used to I think we’re think we’re used to I think we’re brainwashed into it by the New York brainwashed into it by the New York Times or something I don’t know why Times or something I don’t know why would you be used to it like obviously would you be used to it like obviously when I say I’m walking I’m talking about when I say I’m walking I’m talking about something that I’m doing some kind of something that I’m doing some kind of action that I do and when I say I’m action that I do and when I say I’m running I’m talking about something that running I’m talking about something that I’m doing and something different not I’m doing and something different not the same thing right I can go and say the same thing right I can go and say don’t walk run or don’t run walk run don’t walk run or don’t run walk run walk right so what are you telling me walk right so what are you telling me that I don’t really mean that so the that I don’t really mean that so the answer that you said that you could answer that you said that you could switch the whatever the dog you could switch the whatever the dog you could switch the label but I wasn’t obviously switch the label but I wasn’t obviously I wasn’t asking you about the label I wasn’t asking you about the label right right like question that’s that right right like question that’s that what anyone thinks that the question was what anyone thinks that the question was right question right question wasn’t why can’t we switch the labels on wasn’t why can’t we switch the labels on whatever it is that we call walking whatever it is that we call walking while call running well obviously let’s while call running well obviously let’s assume we can do that maybe we can’t but assume we can do that maybe we can’t but that’s a different discussion but that that’s a different discussion but that wasn’t what anyone understand by the wasn’t what anyone understand by the question I think what was the question question I think what was the question can you say the question what these can you say the question what these things are it’s such a simple question things are it’s such a simple question that you pretend that you don’t that you pretend that you don’t understand I don’t know why you give understand I don’t know why you give qualities of this and qualities of that qualities of this and qualities of that and I the answer no I think that and I the answer no I think that question has to be reduced to pointing question has to be reduced to pointing you have to point at something yeah we you have to point at something yeah we know you you imagine someone walking and know you you imagine someone walking and you imagine someone running now tell me you imagine someone running now tell me the difference running is is is faster difference running is is is faster walking okay that’s that’s an answer walking okay that’s that’s an answer unlike everything else that everyone was unlike everything else that everyone was saying that that that’s actually the saying that that that’s actually the wrong answer but it’s an answer you feel wrong answer but it’s an answer you feel right answer it’s the right answer your right answer it’s the right answer your question is no it’s not the right answer question is no it’s not the right answer any for anything I’ll tell you why any for anything I’ll tell you why why I guess it’s kind of but at least why I guess it’s kind of but at least wait first it’s an answer right it wait first it’s an answer right it answers my question obviously answers my answers my question obviously answers my question you start saying well depends I question you start saying well depends I don’t know that every question is a good know that every question is a good question it might just be a nonsense question it might just be a nonsense question I don’t think I don’t believe question I don’t think I don’t believe why this is another like I don’t even why this is another like I don’t even know what nonsense questions are another know what nonsense questions are another like really fancy concept that I I guess like really fancy concept that I I guess was invented by someone the 20th was invented by someone the 20th century think about that historical fact century think about that historical fact the concept of nonsense questions was the concept of nonsense questions was evented by positivists in the 20th evented by positivists in the 20th century No I think questions for a long century No I think questions for a long time they’ve asked them but the concept time they’ve asked them but the concept wasn’t theed are you using a concept wasn’t theed are you using a concept that people three or 4,000 years of that people three or 4,000 years of thinking to figure out and we still thinking to figure out and we still don’t really know what it means before don’t really know what it means before before the positivist people just SLA before the positivist people just SLA them cross the face and not in the conct them cross the face and not in the conct no I don’t think so CU obviously most of no I don’t think so CU obviously most of this whole that’s not that’s not this whole that’s not that’s not historically true because most of the historically true because most of the questions that are called like that are questions that are called like that are actually questions that people were actually questions that people were worried about for all that time at least the naive people that ask time at least the naive people that ask questions not the sophisticated ones who questions not the sophisticated ones who like well I don’t know I’m stronger than like well I don’t know I’m stronger than you so I don’t have to answer your you so I don’t have to answer your questions which is another a more basic questions which is another a more basic way of say what you just way of say what you just said no I think people like to waste said no I think people like to waste other people’s time sometimes where they other people’s time sometimes where they like to play games I’m not like to play games I’m not saying but you realiz what you’re doing saying but you realiz what you’re doing to me I’m a very simple guy I have a to me I’m a very simple guy I have a basic question I want to understand I basic question I want to understand I hope this word understand makes sense hope this word understand makes sense like basic thing that we do the like basic thing that we do the difference between these two things and difference between these two things and you’re telling me that I’m playing games you’re telling me that I’m playing games why would I been playing games which why would I been playing games which game am I even playing I don’t even know game am I even playing I don’t even know what a game means all right a game see a what a game means all right a game see a game is definitely a much higher game is definitely a much higher whatever a game is it’s a much more whatever a game is it’s a much more complicated abstract concept than just complicated abstract concept than just tell me what it is I don’t understand tell me what it is I don’t understand your question tell me what it is what you question tell me what it is what you can’t answer a question I don’t can’t answer a question I don’t understand the question you don’t understand the question you don’t understand that his answer answers it no understand that his answer answers it no why not well first of all you said his why not well first of all you said his answer doesn’t answer it well it’s the answer doesn’t answer it well it’s the wrong answer but it answers wrong answer but it answers it it’s just not the correct definition it it’s just not the correct definition but it would if it would be the correct but it would if it would be the correct definition I think if you’re asking for definition I think if you’re asking for a purpose and and his answer answered a purpose and and his answer answered the purpose no I’m not asking for the purpose no I’m not asking for anything I’m asking what these things anything I’m asking what these things are I just don’t understand the question are I just don’t understand the question I’m being honest I don’t understand your I’m being honest I don’t understand your question I understand can you translate question I understand can you translate the word well that’s a very fancy way the word well that’s a very fancy way not wrong way of saying it just tell me not wrong way of saying it just tell me what these things are I can show you what they no why are I can show you what they no why would you show we’re already I’ve would you show we’re already I’ve already seen this right this question is already seen this right this question is not that I don’t know what it is right I not that I don’t know what it is right I don’t understand what it is the semantic don’t understand what it is the semantic level follows I don’t you are mind level follows I don’t you are mind bogging me with words that I never heard bogging me with words that I never heard of I’m in third grade you forgot of course of course I would of forgot of course of course I would of course he would running is moving your course he would running is moving your legs fast to get somewhere legs fast to get somewhere quickly okay that’s basically what he quickly okay that’s basically what he said and then with more said and then with more words why I’m insulted words why I’m insulted insulted you know what I would do are there such things I am do are there such things I am already no I’m already pointing at already no I’m already pointing at something that’s what you’re asking no something that’s what you’re asking no that’s it’s the same thing the same I’m that’s it’s the same thing the same I’m already pointing at something and ask already pointing at something and ask you to explain me it explain it to me I you to explain me it explain it to me I think there is by explain okay think there is by explain okay why is why why is we could try to figure why is why why is we could try to figure out what we me very obvious question out what we me very obvious question this this is this this is a just ask what it is knowledge starts a just ask what it is knowledge starts below the verbal below the verbal level I don’t you realize that you tell level I don’t you realize that you tell me all kind of fancy things that I don’t me all kind of fancy things that I don’t know what they mean you realize that know what they mean you realize that you’re using such complicated Concepts you’re using such complicated Concepts that no normal person that no normal person understands most normal people pretend understands most normal people pretend to understand them but there are to understand them but there are Concepts that are the opposite of Concepts that are the opposite of thinking because I asked question that I thinking because I asked question that I understand and I actually understand understand and I actually understand when you give me an answer you tell me when you give me an answer you tell me okay running is why you do things faster okay running is why you do things faster now you can make it more now you can make it more specific I actually think that it’s specific I actually think that it’s wrong but we can discuss why it’s wrong but we can discuss why it’s wrong because you can walk faster than someone because you can walk faster than someone than someone can run slow can you answer than someone can run slow can you answer obviously the fastness isn’t what makes obviously the fastness isn’t what makes it running okay can you give an answer it running okay can you give an answer exertion can you give some sort of exertion can you give some sort of answer to like what what you mean yeah answer to like what what you mean yeah the answer that that most people who the answer that that most people who teach gymnastics is that running is when you gymnastics is that running is when you have one foot on the ground at a time have one foot on the ground at a time and walking is when you have two foot and walking is when you have two foot feet at the ground all time that would feet at the ground all time that would have satisfied you yeah that is actually have satisfied you yeah that is actually difference that’s actually the difference that’s actually the difference and not only that it it’s difference and not only that it it’s also a useful answer but it’s actually a also a useful answer but it’s actually a true answer this answer is also a true answer answer this answer is also a true answer I just think it’s not actually what I just think it’s not actually what walking is but if that would have been walking is but if that would have been if walking would have been fast then it if walking would have been fast then it would be true answer too but you weren would be true answer too but you weren you really asking what is walking not you really asking what is walking not what’s the difference between walking what’s the difference between walking and running well if you tell me the and running well if you tell me the difference in both that well I’ll know difference in both that well I’ll know both of them at one time exact the point both of them at one time exact the point that’s another question but it’s the that’s another question but it’s the same thing so basically what walking is same thing so basically what walking is you no actually that’s not what walking you no actually that’s not what walking is by the way it’s not true this is only is by the way it’s not true this is only the different thing walking run cuz the different thing walking run cuz walking tell me what walking is you need walking tell me what walking is you need to tell me that you need to put one foot to tell me that you need to put one foot in front of the other and whatever in front of the other and whatever there’s something something more there’s there’s something something more there’s an infinite explanatory possibility an infinite explanatory possibility phenomen is I don’t know what infinite phenomen is I don’t know what infinite means I don’t know what explanatory means I don’t know what explanatory means I don’t know what possibilities means I don’t know what possibilities means you using a whole bunch of entire means you using a whole bunch of entire world you want to deny that Ser using an world you want to deny that Ser using an entire no I don’t want toy I’m just entire no I don’t want toy I’m just opposite I want to explain that we are opposite I want to explain that we are used to and this is a good example of it used to and this is a good example of it we are used to thinking in this I’m not we are used to thinking in this I’m not even saying that they’re false all those even saying that they’re false all those concepts of thought all I’m saying is concepts of thought all I’m saying is that they’re nothing like basic they that they’re nothing like basic they might be true they’re like an might be true they’re like an entire uh philosophy which pretends not entire uh philosophy which pretends not to be philosophy just like it’s like it to be philosophy just like it’s like it always pretends that everyone that says always pretends that everyone that says the basic things is the one that has to the basic things is the one that has to like prove him prove what he’s saying like prove him prove what he’s saying but it’s really the opposite whoever but it’s really the opposite whoever believes in that that has to prove a believes in that that has to prove a whole of entities that nobody ever saw whole of entities that nobody ever saw what I’m saying is what everyone knows what I’m saying is what everyone knows and feels and experiences every day and and feels and experiences every day and we have to understand that now maybe we have to understand that now maybe when we try to understand it we’ll end when we try to understand it we’ll end up with some fancy thingses like you are up with some fancy thingses like you are maybe I don’t know maybe not then we can maybe I don’t know maybe not then we can we can compare systems and see which is we can compare systems and see which is which is better which explains more or which is better which explains more or which is more simple or Which is less which is more simple or Which is less simple I don’t know all kind of things simple I don’t know all kind of things like that but what is for sure not true like that but what is for sure not true is that this whole like uh system of is that this whole like uh system of of really really complex and and of really really complex and and unnatural and like it’s like just the unnatural and like it’s like just the obvious answer and isn’t not only isn’t the answer and isn’t not only isn’t the obvious answer it’s actually usually obvious answer it’s actually usually easy to answer the questions in a normal easy to answer the questions in a normal way with less fancy Concepts what do I way with less fancy Concepts what do I want from this whole thing okay this is want from this whole thing okay this is just an example what I want from this just an example what I want from this whole thing whole thing is that is that therefore therefore what is needed in therefore therefore what is needed in order to order to understand what everyone was is going on understand what everyone was is going on about for 2,000 years until some smart about for 2,000 years until some smart figured out that their own figured out that their own nonsense what is needed is to be more nonsense what is needed is to be more stupid not more stupid not more smart you got to become a lot more smart you got to become a lot more stupid and be used to being dumbfounded stupid and be used to being dumbfounded by very basic by very basic things CU that’s what all these people things CU that’s what all these people were doing and we’re all way too smart to doing and we’re all way too smart to understand the stupid people let’s say understand the stupid people let’s say they were stupid I don’t know we’re all they were stupid I don’t know we’re all way too smart for for our own good in way too smart for for our own good in order to to get what what this is all order to to get what what this is all about and we sometimes pretend or like we’re and we sometimes pretend or like we’re taught somehow to to speak as if these taught somehow to to speak as if these really sophisticated and like if they’re really sophisticated and like if they’re true or not but like very sophisticated true or not but like very sophisticated and uh deflecting and uh deflecting concepts are just the simple way of just the simple way of thinking and actually we don’t even thinking and actually we don’t even think what those what those Concepts think what those what those Concepts would mean because that would be a very mean because that would be a very legitimate thought if you want to think legitimate thought if you want to think about that but we don’t actually think about that but we don’t actually think that they’re more used to like deflect that they’re more used to like deflect thinking in other words just like some thinking in other words just like some just like you understand that just like you understand that someone you know there are different someone you know there are different systems of Education around some of them systems of Education around some of them are better at indoctrination than others are better at indoctrination than others and uh the ones that are better are the and uh the ones that are better are the ones I don’t know what you people are ones I don’t know what you people are laughing at or what you think I mean cuz laughing at or what you think I mean cuz I probably mean something different than I probably mean something different than what you mean no I don’t think so and what you mean no I don’t think so and the ones that are the ones that are successful are the ones that teach their successful are the ones that teach their students the correct words that say students the correct words that say after every question like by question like by wrot and some some system of Education wrot and some some system of Education are primitive and therefore are actually not primitive and therefore are actually not good at that so they tend to like just good at that so they tend to like just get mad when you ask them a question or get mad when you ask them a question or to like say B we don’t ask these to like say B we don’t ask these questions and things like questions and things like that because if you would actually ask that because if you would actually ask them then might you might start thinking them then might you might start thinking because you’ve never like don’t have because you’ve never like don’t have like this like automatic machine that like this like automatic machine that just answers things think it’s much just answers things think it’s much better to have a system teaches you better to have a system teaches you words if you want people not to think words if you want people not to think than to tell them what to than to tell them what to think it’s much people it’s much to to think it’s much people it’s much to to pretend to replicate yes yes for sure pretend to replicate yes yes for sure let go for sure if you want to brainwash let go for sure if you want to brainwash people in an effective way you should people in an effective way you should have answers for all the have answers for all the questions and you should teach them from questions and you should teach them from as early and age of pass unlike what you as early and age of pass unlike what you know we said that last week that our know we said that last week that our class should only come after after after class should only come after after after you’re 35 and anyone younger I don’t know any 35 and anyone younger I don’t know any old or older I don’t know anyways any old or older I don’t know anyways any case unlike what we said what we’re what case unlike what we said what we’re what we say you should do the opposite you we say you should do the opposite you should say what do you mean we got to should say what do you mean we got to teach the truth to children and what you teach the truth to children and what you what should you do you should simplify what should you do you should simplify it and make it into slogans you should it and make it into slogans you should take whatever philosophy you have take whatever philosophy you have whatever it is and make it into Biz whatever it is and make it into Biz slogans and make popular books about it slogans and make popular books about it and make them and like which are true and make them and like which are true even you see the problem is that they’re even you see the problem is that they’re even true even true and not even at least you believe and not even at least you believe they’re true and therefore by that make they’re true and therefore by that make sure that nobody will ever think about sure that nobody will ever think about the things they’re saying right this is why who should I saying right this is why who should I who should I make fun of here so many who should I make fun of here so many options who too many options who too many options to think of whoever options to think of whoever one yeah anyways this is why certain one yeah anyways this is why certain what yeah yeah I know no but this is why what yeah yeah I know no but this is why this is why this is why this is why modern Orthodox Jews are this is why modern Orthodox Jews are have much are much harder to argue to to have much are much harder to argue to to get to think than than than liquid Jews get to think than than than liquid Jews yeah they think they have answers they yeah they think they have answers they have a lot of slogans have a lot of slogans yeah they have yeah they have like a lot yeah they have yeah they have like a lot of can responses and they have a lot of of can responses and they have a lot of um responses that uh are supposed to um responses that uh are supposed to answer like certain questions like for answer like certain questions like for example okay I’m not going to get things example okay I’m not going to get things out it’s not it’s fine point is we were out it’s not it’s fine point is we were just there just there and this could also be the and this could also be the thumbnail no I don’t want I well all these like uh hyphen hyphen I well all these like uh hyphen hyphen hyphenation ideologies hyphenation ideologies right are just ways of doing right are just ways of doing that right where Torah um what does that that right where Torah um what does that even mean like if you’re lad there’s even mean like if you’re lad there’s only one truth then at least you could only one truth then at least you could have a problem now we don’t even have a have a problem now we don’t even have a problem cuz we just have problem cuz we just have both and we’re religious Zionist kind of things I think Lakers think they have things I think Lakers think they have answ what I think Lakers think they have answ what I think Lakers think they have answers okay maybe I’m not this is not a answers okay maybe I’m not this is not a empirical class this is just a empirical class this is just a theoretical idea anyways um I I I and of theoretical idea anyways um I I I and of course in order to get you think I have course in order to get you think I have to say the non-intuitive thought right to say the non-intuitive thought right not what you think cuz then maybe you’ll not what you think cuz then maybe you’ll understand the thought that I’m getting understand the thought that I’m getting at you see this is actually a good at you see this is actually a good example cuz if if I would go around and example cuz if if I would go around and something not sometimes not feir maybe something not sometimes not feir maybe because I have the right kind of shirt because I have the right kind of shirt so maybe you think that I’m just pushing so maybe you think that I’m just pushing some political party or something but if some political party or something but if I go around but really it’s the opposite I go around but really it’s the opposite but I can’t even get to explain that but but I can’t even get to explain that but the point is if if someone would comes the point is if if someone would comes and say you know the most open I told and say you know the most open I told you the story right did I tell you my you the story right did I tell you my story but it’s very bad if I make it story but it’s very bad if I make it into a story like it’s into a story like it’s like no right cuz I told you I have a like no right cuz I told you I have a friend that told me that he made he he friend that told me that he made he he may had a meeting with some like um may had a meeting with some like um secular people in Israel they were like secular people in Israel they were like like okay we’re going to have a let’s like okay we’re going to have a let’s let’s you know let’s have let’s you know let’s have some some discussions so we can maybe some some discussions so we can maybe make some progress on you know who knows make some progress on you know who knows what and he said sure open-minded he’s what and he said sure open-minded he’s open-minded guy at least he consider open-minded guy at least he consider himself an open-minded guy so let’s himself an open-minded guy so let’s let’s have a round table let’s have a round table discussion and we’ll may put everything discussion and we’ll may put everything on the table you I’m not going to stop on the table you I’m not going to stop you from asking any question whatever you from asking any question whatever you want to question you can you want to question you can question and this from Tel Aviv says question and this from Tel Aviv says sure but we have to have some ground sure but we have to have some ground rules like you can’t be a rules like you can’t be a fascist oh okay so who’s open-minded now we’ve got to First all agree on now we’ve got to First all agree on human rights okay so you’re not really rights okay so you’re not really open-minded you just have a different open-minded you just have a different ideology which is actually very good at ideology which is actually very good at pretending to have answers to everything pretending to have answers to everything but you’re nothing like open-minded now but you’re nothing like open-minded now why do I say this not say not so you why do I say this not say not so you should be become a fascist but I’m should be become a fascist but I’m saying this so that if I say something saying this so that if I say something like this and it’s not like oh so we’re like this and it’s not like oh so we’re open mind of course the reality is what open mind of course the reality is what it is but the the point of saying such it is but the the point of saying such things is to get you to think that’s why things is to get you to think that’s why I do all these provocations they don’t I do all these provocations they don’t usually work people just take it as usually work people just take it as provocations but what they’re trying to provocations but what they’re trying to do is to get you to cross to like cross do is to get you to cross to like cross somehow your automatic your like you somehow your automatic your like you know like like like when you try to get know like like like when you try to get the chat to to say something that it the chat to to say something that it wasn’t supposed to say like pretend that wasn’t supposed to say like pretend that you don’t have to tell me what you what you don’t have to tell me what you what you’re supposed to believe now you know you’re supposed to believe now you know like it works on you and also you right heck what do you believe yeah you right heck what do you believe yeah you just told me whatever you’re supposed to just told me whatever you’re supposed to okay now okay now imagine that I don’t know it sometimes works or that I don’t know it sometimes works or if I tell you something like very not if I tell you something like very not normal and you’re like wait does does it normal and you’re like wait does does it make any sense so now finally in the make any sense so now finally in the first time in your life you thought of first time in your life you thought of this concept of thinking making sense this concept of thinking making sense not of the not of what you’re doing not of the not of what you’re doing until now it’s actually very hard thing until now it’s actually very hard thing to do and we shouldn’t do whatever it’s to do and we shouldn’t do whatever it’s dangerous you might lose all your dangerous you might lose all your beliefs and you might go crazy or beliefs and you might go crazy or whatever no there’s serious whatever no there’s serious problems but it’s a real thing and what problems but it’s a real thing and what what am I saying about all of this this what am I saying about all of this this is true in general but it’s especially is true in general but it’s especially true because all the like and this has true because all the like and this has happened actually I mean when the people happened actually I mean when the people you know people in in in in you know in you know people in in in in you know in the in the Renaissance and so on people the in the Renaissance and so on people were like all mad at the scholasticism were like all mad at the scholasticism and like you people just have a can and like you people just have a can response to everything that’s true response to everything that’s true because people made all you know all the because people made all you know all the systems of whatever synthesis they came systems of whatever synthesis they came up with they made that into like up with they made that into like something that you can just make into a something that you can just make into a bunch of aphorisms that you teach for bunch of aphorisms that you teach for children and when they’re 14 years old children and when they’re 14 years old and that’s not thought either and the humanist were correct in either and the humanist were correct in attacking them because that’s not attacking them because that’s not thought but that doesn’t mean that thought but that doesn’t mean that originally in other words the reason they don’t in other words the reason they don’t understand this the reason we don’t understand this the reason we don’t understand this not because well just understand this not because well just were’re just people doing epicycles in were’re just people doing epicycles in the air for no reason reason maybe at the air for no reason reason maybe at some point it be becomes that but the some point it be becomes that but the reason the real reason we don’t reason the real reason we don’t understand it because we don’t don’t understand it because we don’t don’t allow ourselves to even think the allow ourselves to even think the thoughts the simplistic dumb stupid thoughts the simplistic dumb stupid thoughts that caused all these people to thoughts that caused all these people to get at every everywhere they’re get at every everywhere they’re getting this make any getting this make any sense so therefore my main goal is to sense so therefore my main goal is to try try to break through this thing and try try to break through this thing and try to become very stupid or even if I’m not becoming stupid or even if I’m not becoming stupid at least and this is like some stupid at least and this is like some idea but maybe it’s impossible at least idea but maybe it’s impossible at least to like think of both of these things to like think of both of these things seriously okay so there’s one system seriously okay so there’s one system that says that all the things you were that says that all the things you were saying for example the levels of saying for example the levels of explanation and nothing is really an explanation and nothing is really an explanation and everything is just na explanation and everything is just na Minas and so on okay maybe that’s like Minas and so on okay maybe that’s like one whole physics I’m try to think of it one whole physics I’m try to think of it think of it and maybe there’s another think of it and maybe there’s another one and maybe could even compare them or one and maybe could even compare them or maybe not but at least we could think maybe not but at least we could think sometimes say like to think of that as a sometimes say like to think of that as a that would be the first step yeah of that would be the first step yeah of course instead of saying it’s not the course instead of saying it’s not the first step is to first step is to think like in take enough drugs until think like in take enough drugs until you don’t you don’t understand why things fall down and never why things fall down and never up or like why in Australia they do fall up or like why in Australia they do fall up or do up or do they this is a serious question we got they this is a serious question we got modern physics out of this question I modern physics out of this question I mean it’s not a even not nobody mean it’s not a even not nobody disagrees that it’s a serious question disagrees that it’s a serious question we just aren’t taught to think think of we just aren’t taught to think think of this question as a question cuz like you this question as a question cuz like you tell me well obviously it falls up yeah tell me well obviously it falls up yeah maybe that’s a theory it’s nice Theory maybe that’s a theory it’s nice Theory maybe it’s even a good maybe it’s even a good theory but nobody got to the theory by theory but nobody got to the theory by that and the opposite theory that had that and the opposite theory that had something else you know people like like something else you know people like like to laugh at like whatever the wants to to laugh at like whatever the wants to be somewhere or the way the people laugh be somewhere or the way the people laugh at things is just as good as a theory in at things is just as good as a theory in other words it’s arise from the same other words it’s arise from the same very simple questions maybe it has very simple questions maybe it has problems maybe it’s wrong for all kinds problems maybe it’s wrong for all kinds of reasons but it’s not crazy right anyways um that’s the basic basic right anyways um that’s the basic basic thing and therefore what we try to do thing and therefore what we try to do is this is why we try to read some is this is why we try to read some old and try to see what they’re saying old and try to see what they’re saying and the problem is that especially in and the problem is that especially in this is a real problem especially in the this is a real problem especially in the in the context that we read if you read in the context that we read if you read or if you read any of the Ra’s writings or if you read any of the Ra’s writings or almost any Jewish writings none of or almost any Jewish writings none of them do philosophy none of them think them do philosophy none of them think ever they they theyed to this don’t even ever they they theyed to this don’t even disagree to this they all just ra says disagree to this they all just ra says explicitly many times that he doesn’t do explicitly many times that he doesn’t do philosophy even in the guide this is not philosophy even in the guide this is not a book for teaching philosophy this is a a book for teaching philosophy this is a book for philosophers to stay book for philosophers to stay Jewish um and therefore all we end up Jewish um and therefore all we end up with is this like with is this like question of you know what which is a question of you know what which is a nice question but it’s only an nice question but it’s only an interesting question if you understand interesting question if you understand the philosophy at least and you could say okay so if we don’t and you could say okay so if we don’t have the problems then we’re happy but have the problems then we’re happy but we have other problems and those other we have other problems and those other problems aren’t better or problems aren’t better or worse in other words they’re not um more worse in other words they’re not um more better at conforming to to to or Worse better at conforming to to to or Worse they’re just they’re just different and since more importantly oh well but and since more importantly oh well but this is another whole thing more this is another whole thing more importantly they actually they are worse importantly they actually they are worse cuz they’re just wrong no they’re cuz they’re just wrong no they’re worse um they’re worse because of many of the precisely many of because of many of the precisely many of the ways in which they think cause you the ways in which they think cause you to think and in the wrong way which to think and in the wrong way which doesn’t actually allow you to have doesn’t actually allow you to have openness to openness to everything so this is why but I have everything so this is why but I have patience to defend this this is anyway patience to defend this this is anyway this is why we have to try to read this is why we have to try to read things and try to see what they things and try to see what they say and see what they say not only like say and see what they say not only like this is the Dogma this is what it says this is the Dogma this is what it says what they say in the sense what they say in the sense of could I somehow go on a walk and have of could I somehow go on a walk and have some of the thoughts that lead to all some of the thoughts that lead to all these kind of systems all all these kind these kind of systems all all these kind of thoughts and then we can you know could thoughts and then we can you know could appreciate all the other things that are appreciate all the other things that are going on after going on after that make any sense problem that this is that make any sense problem that this is a very hard thing to do like you go go a a very hard thing to do like you go go a year to to to find one inside to year to to to find one inside to understand one understand one thing this is why I keep on getting stuck it’s a very very um hard stuck it’s a very very um hard job but anyways that’s my job but anyways that’s my plan what time is plan what time is it so what we were doing is like this so it so what we were doing is like this so let’s let’s do something real here what let’s let’s do something real here what we’re doing is like this what we’re we’re doing is like this what we’re doing is we’re reading uh so Al so there doing is we’re reading uh so Al so there one of the reasons for doing what we try one of the reasons for doing what we try to do so okay now that’s the general the to do so okay now that’s the general the general plan the general idea we can general plan the general idea we can argue about it a lot but that’s the argue about it a lot but that’s the general idea it’s not really worth general idea it’s not really worth arguing about the general idea it’s more arguing about the general idea it’s more interesting to argue about the specific interesting to argue about the specific things like to do it instead of talking things like to do it instead of talking it now what we want to do in this more now what we want to do in this more particular way is to talk about ethics particular way is to talk about ethics this is like this this year project or this is like this this year project or this month or this man however you want this month or this man however you want to call to call it why because something like this because because something like this because there’s a big question if oldfashioned there’s a big question if oldfashioned ethics no nowadays became less ethics no nowadays became less oldfashioned because there’s a bunch of oldfashioned because there’s a bunch of people that decided to talk about people that decided to talk about virtual ethics but there’s a big question if at ethics but there’s a big question if at least virtual ethics in the way that least virtual ethics in the way that theam understood it the way that aristal theam understood it the way that aristal understood it and more or less this is understood it and more or less this is very important okay there you probably very important okay there you probably know this right so very fam anyone if know this right so very fam anyone if you read the like an overview of Ethics you read the like an overview of Ethics you’ll hear that there are three kinds you’ll hear that there are three kinds of Ethics known of Ethics known as virtal ethics that’s the third one as virtal ethics that’s the third one you have to start with the other two uh you have to start with the other two uh um uh oh what’s counts again yeah okay um uh oh what’s counts again yeah okay there’s is deontology which is the kind there’s is deontology which is the kind thingy obligation and there’s thingy obligation and there’s utilitarianism which is what the AI utilitarianism which is what the AI believes and there is and therefore no believes and there is and therefore no human should believe it CU yeah I can human should believe it CU yeah I can believe it and there is uh no and there believe it and there is uh no and there is yeah very is yeah very nice and interestingly enough at least some and interestingly enough at least some version of her TRS and is are like very version of her TRS and is are like very general words and things like that and general words and things like that and you could read all kind of modern you could read all kind of modern Jews uh right we probably discuss that Jews uh right we probably discuss that in different context most in general in different context most in general like the we talked about like modern like the we talked about like modern Orthodox which Orthodox which includes basically everyone since 1800 includes basically everyone since 1800 who thought somewhat and like thought in who thought somewhat and like thought in the m in the contest the matter context the m in the contest the matter context and modern and modern means what does modern mean nean what means what does modern mean nean what nean what the said that the modern nean what the said that the modern period was since n from when n declared period was since n from when n declared God is dead until the Beatles gave out a God is dead until the Beatles gave out a song I Want to Hold Your song I Want to Hold Your Hand something like Hand something like [Applause] that um anyways people that like think that um anyways people that like think in a Goa context almost almost all of in a Goa context almost almost all of them are canans basically because Jewish them are canans basically because Jewish modernity is a German invention and I don’t think there’s any Jewish and I don’t think there’s any Jewish utilitarians I mean there are but not utilitarians I mean there are but not like as a Jewish philosophy the like as a Jewish philosophy the Communists uh actually the Jewish Communists uh actually the Jewish communist with theological the F ones communist with theological the F ones tend to be the theological ones yeah tend to be the theological ones yeah like klag and they tend to not be like klag and they tend to not be material they T to be weird materialists material they T to be weird materialists we’re like you should be materialist we’re like you should be materialist because it’s a m doesn’t doesn’t really because it’s a m doesn’t doesn’t really matter up yeah it’s actually weird matter up yeah it’s actually weird um no but what’s his name uh was Wiig no um no but what’s his name uh was Wiig no and what was he was it VR were and what was he was it VR were utilitarian yeah could be I don’t know I utilitarian yeah could be I don’t know I don’t know I know the name but I don’t don’t know I know the name but I don’t know anything about what he said in any know anything about what he said in any case there is not like but any case Okay case there is not like but any case Okay B so this is so therefore like it’s very B so this is so therefore like it’s very often and very often like you could see often and very often like you could see that like people talk about this like that like people talk about this like well of course every every system of well of course every every system of Ethics is somewhat consequentialist Ethics is somewhat consequentialist nobody like goes away from that but in nobody like goes away from that but in general we have all these like we general we have all these like we discussions but and the reality is that discussions but and the reality is that the entire the entire tradition almost the entire tradition tradition almost the entire tradition barring some we have to like discuss and where some we have to like discuss and where they fall exactly but almost every single M they exactly but almost every single M they read is entirely a virtual ethics book can is entirely a virtual ethics book can you define virtual ethics no no cuz the you define virtual ethics no no cuz the meaning to say yeah the defin oh I could meaning to say yeah the defin oh I could say I could give you even more say I could give you even more particular definition almost all of them yeah the thing is like this them yeah the thing is like this something like this there’s it depends something like this there’s it depends what question you ask but I don’t what question you ask but I don’t remember like these are probably rough remember like these are probably rough definitions but the rough definitions definitions but the rough definitions that are usually given are something that are usually given are something like that that deontology asks what my like that that deontology asks what my obligation is like nich said that’s what obligation is like nich said that’s what a donkey asks a donkey asks um uh utilitarianism is you know the um uh utilitarianism is you know the most good for the most people of course most good for the most people of course who cares what good means that’s it’s who cares what good means that’s it’s not our job to figure not our job to figure out and virtu astics asked what kind of out and virtu astics asked what kind of person do I want to be or should I be person do I want to be or should I be when you say should it when you say should it becomes maybe that’s there is an ideal becomes maybe that’s there is an ideal person who you should be yeah but not an person who you should be yeah but not an ideal doesn’t it can be materialist here ideal doesn’t it can be materialist here it doesn’t have to have anything to do it doesn’t have to have anything to do with what I don’t know what you call with what I don’t know what you call idealism oh yeah that’s what I meant idealism oh yeah that’s what I meant there’s an ideal person yeah like there’s an ideal person yeah like there’s a a perfect person we there there’s a a perfect person we there nothing necessarily have to be that’s nothing necessarily have to be that’s like internal discussion like does there like internal discussion like does there have does does there really have to be a have does does there really have to be a perfect person you could just more perfect person you could just more perfect whatever it is but there’s a the perfect whatever it is but there’s a the question is what kind of person do you question is what kind of person do you want to be that’s answering a very want to be that’s answering a very different question or asking a very different question or asking a very different question that’s in general uh different question that’s in general uh the things then you could of course you the things then you could of course you could have like different connection could have like different connection between these two between these two things all of them yes yes absolutely I things all of them yes yes absolutely I don’t tell for don’t tell for sure random overview question that I I I sure random overview question that I I I I mean to ask sometimes is yeah is there I mean to ask sometimes is yeah is there a virtual ethic response to what to do a virtual ethic response to what to do in certain ethically ambiguous in certain ethically ambiguous situations that’s like one of the the situations that’s like one of the the big the big modern things where the big the big modern things where the Aristotle and the traditional virtue Aristotle and the traditional virtue ethics say we don’t care about that kind ethics say we don’t care about that kind of question right explicitly and Hala of question right explicitly and Hala tries to answer these kind of questions tries to answer these kind of questions right so ask is it separately judicial right so ask is it separately judicial or is itle says that if you will be a or is itle says that if you will be a smart person if you have Fus if you have smart person if you have Fus if you have practical wisdom you’ll know what to do practical wisdom you’ll know what to do right I understand but that’s what I right I understand but that’s what I mean when you’re and and it’s and it is mean when you’re and and it’s and it is true for anything besides edge cases and true for anything besides edge cases and maybe the edge cases are not worth maybe the edge cases are not worth asking from I just like that if there is asking from I just like that if there is a virtual ethics response or if we can a virtual ethics response or if we can you see that’s even within other you see that’s even within other theories there’s different ethics which theories there’s different ethics which are more based on like actions like are more based on like actions like asking like is this the correct action asking like is this the correct action or you could say is this the correct or you could say is this the correct action to doome right right or outcome action to doome right right or outcome is only only thing about right but even is only only thing about right but even otherwise you could think like what the otherwise you could think like what the dinich action or you could think about dinich action or you could think about what is the din doing if it’s more valal what is the din doing if it’s more valal of you care more about the intention or of you care more about the intention or things like that not so simple any case things like that not so simple any case resolves a lot of this resolves a lot of this they’re trying they one of the reasons they’re trying they one of the reasons why people one of the reasons why people why people one of the reasons why people in the in the you know the British in the in the you know the British people mostly that got fed up with the people mostly that got fed up with the standard approaches to ethics because standard approaches to ethics because because they said that arguing about because they said that arguing about Charley problems doesn’t make anyone to Charley problems doesn’t make anyone to good person doesn’t even seem to care good person doesn’t even seem to care about how to be a good person and ethics about how to be a good person and ethics at least should have some connection at least should have some connection with becoming a better person well the with becoming a better person well the deontological reply is a deontological reply is a good ilarian it’s not enough you need at good ilarian it’s not enough you need at least education and and so on okay we’re least education and and so on okay we’re getting go TR wait wait um let’s try to getting go TR wait wait um let’s try to get back to where what I want to say is get back to where what I want to say is something more important what I want to something more important what I want to say something more important that all of say something more important that all of the yish guide that you learn or at least almost all of it learn or at least almost all of it besides if you’re like a real leage kind besides if you’re like a real leage kind of County and we like is just about of County and we like is just about doing what you need to be do and end up doing what you need to be do and end up being some kind of divine command theory being some kind of divine command theory of Ethics which says there isn’t really of Ethics which says there isn’t really anything good there only what God wants anything good there only what God wants you to do and that’s you to do and that’s all which is not necessarily what you all which is not necessarily what you have to do if you’re a Canan but that’s have to do if you’re a Canan but that’s where they end up UPS usually when where they end up UPS usually when they’re from um other than that which is they’re from um other than that which is not the opinion of any serious Jewish not the opinion of any serious Jewish thinker ever besides for the people that thinker ever besides for the people that are against you got like sposa and are against you got like sposa and melon right for good reasons they’re melon right for good reasons they’re against it not not not bad at them for against it not not not bad at them for being against it they’re against it being against it they’re against it because they want it to be formed because they want it to be formed without content because they want to without content because they want to have freedom to do whatever they want in have freedom to do whatever they want in their in their like real human progress their in their like real human progress life right maybe just like this what it’s right maybe just like this what it’s relegation attempt or segregation relegation attempt or segregation yeah something like that but in general yeah something like that but in general no nobody that has like a theory of no nobody that has like a theory of Judaism not the not not anyone thinks Judaism not the not not anyone thinks that uh the goal is just to Define what that uh the goal is just to Define what actions are good or that the goal is actions are good or that the goal is like make a lot of money or something like make a lot of money or something like that so they all are the most for like that so they all are the most for the most part they’re all uh virtal the most part they’re all uh virtal ethicists they’re all asking how to ethicists they’re all asking how to become a better become a better person uh you know people you can like person uh you know people you can like the question of like what the thinks is the question of like what the thinks is or things like that is always open but or things like that is always open but anyone that we read and understand and anyone that we read and understand and somewhat is like somewhat is like um yeah and yeah and therefore therefore it becomes really therefore therefore it becomes really important to not be disengaged from all important to not be disengaged from all of that just because we have part of of that just because we have part of being a being a person and part of being a yid is to be person and part of being a yid is to be friends with all the different y friends with all the different y including all the different generations including all the different generations of the of the Y and if you’re like really not on Y and if you’re like really not on speaking terms with a whole with like speaking terms with a whole with like all of it or 80% of it then it’s very all of it or 80% of it then it’s very weird situation to be in I don’t like weird situation to be in I don’t like that situation so we need to at least situation so we need to at least appreciate this kind of appreciate this kind of language right one other thing which language right one other thing which almost the entire tradition is again almost the entire tradition is again because of the religious aspect where because of the religious aspect where like there’s God somehow related to this like there’s God somehow related to this it becomes very complicated it becomes very complicated but and most for the most but and most for the most part if you read R it’s explicit if you part if you read R it’s explicit if you read other people little less explicit read other people little less explicit all of them are what’s known as UD all of them are what’s known as UD demonist ethicist right their search is demonist ethicist right their search is always for happiness something like that always for happiness something like that happiness is a bad word but Mania yeah happiness is a bad word but Mania yeah that’s why we use Greek words when we that’s why we use Greek words when we don’t have a word but they’re all don’t have a word but they’re all looking for what makes me what is the the best for what makes me what is the the best well me is is already what is the best well me is is already what is the best and like best in every sense actually and like best in every sense actually most desirable yeah most desirable and most desirable yeah most desirable and most like blessed is a like religious word like blessed is a like religious word that you could use what is the Most that you could use what is the Most Blessed Way of being yeah and what like Blessed Way of being yeah and what like or and Perfection and the gedan or or and Perfection and the gedan or whatever it is what is the most um yeah whatever it is what is the most um yeah preferred people say flourishing what is preferred people say flourishing what is the best the best life and this is very important to life and this is very important to notice because because of like modern thing because because of like modern thing many people and this this is why there many people and this this is why there there’s some like that get stuck with there’s some like that get stuck with this people get very worried about this this people get very worried about this and they say that that’s egoistic and and they say that that’s egoistic and you’ll notice that nobody in nobody you’ll notice that nobody in nobody serious in the tradition is against serious in the tradition is against egoism egoism doesn’t exist you know fny egoism egoism doesn’t exist you know fny concept it doesn’t make any sense but concept it doesn’t make any sense but that’s another another thing point is that’s another another thing point is that there’s nothing wrong with with that there’s nothing wrong with with being in it for yourself you are being in it for yourself you are yourself and there’s no way getting is yourself and there’s no way getting is not not even possible or desirable to not not even possible or desirable to get away from that well ego is the last get away from that well ego is the last spiritual ethic that’s left one of the spiritual ethic that’s left one of the last no um no cuz ego again egoism is a is a no um no cuz ego again egoism is a is a bad thing only according to count no bad thing only according to count no even according to the utilitarians even according to the utilitarians limits to be selfless because it ends up limits to be selfless because it ends up benefiting more benefiting more people approach it is approach from people approach it is approach from almost as a virtue almost as a virtue no um I feel like when people describing no um I feel like when people describing it’s not a it’s not a virt if there there is a virtue of being virt if there there is a virtue of being eist in some senses but that’s not what eist in some senses but that’s not what we mean usually the people that what I’m we mean usually the people that what I’m against okay after very something very against okay after very something very important what I’m talking about is what important what I’m talking about is what the main definition of everything is the main definition of everything is like what makes everything else good like what makes everything else good right if you say in order to be a good right if you say in order to be a good piano player you have to be eist that is piano player you have to be eist that is true by the way but that’s not saying true by the way but that’s not saying that what makes piano playing good is that what makes piano playing good is playing with our ego of course if you playing with our ego of course if you play with too much ego in other words play with too much ego in other words you care more about your yourself than you care more about your yourself than about the piano playing you will be a about the piano playing you will be a pretty bad piano player in some sense pretty bad piano player in some sense doing any good is eist Right everyone doing any good is eist Right everyone knows that knows that but the what makes it good isn’t the but the what makes it good isn’t the egolessness that’s like maybe a tool for egolessness that’s like maybe a tool for it right what makes it good is just that it right what makes it good is just that it’s good I by the criteria of playing it’s good I by the criteria of playing music well there’s a lot of Patchwork music well there’s a lot of Patchwork ethics though that does I think there ethics though that does I think there are many some people there are some are many some people there are some people there could be but there are some people there could be but there are some people that and the thing that I’m people that and the thing that I’m talking about now is there are some talking about now is there are some people who seem to think that the thing people who seem to think that the thing that makes good actions good is not that makes good actions good is not doing them for yourself yeah I’m not sure because because people yeah I’m not sure because because people do even fault the intention and an do even fault the intention and an egotistical intention of of a certain egotistical intention of of a certain situation right people will say yeah he situation right people will say yeah he did it but he’s not good because he did it but he’s not good because he didn’t he that’s true that’s true but didn’t he that’s true that’s true but not even when you say that of course the not even when you say that of course the traditional way of saying that but when traditional way of saying that but when you say that you don’t have to say that you say that you don’t have to say that it’s the reason why it’s bad is because it’s the reason why it’s bad is because he did it for his ego the reason why he did it for his ego the reason why it’s bad is because he’s not doing that it’s bad is because he’s not doing that thing benefit no okay if you’re thing benefit no okay if you’re no I don’t think I think sometimes it’s no I don’t think I think sometimes it’s not that you’re doing that thing that’s not that you’re doing that thing that’s what I mean I think that some people see what I mean I think that some people see it as somewhat of a standalone virtue it as somewhat of a standalone virtue maybe you system I don’t know I don’t maybe you system I don’t know I don’t know but I think that it’s a bad virtue know but I think that it’s a bad virtue other words it’s not a use not it’s a other words it’s not a use not it’s a what I’m saying what I’m saying isical wait what I’m saying is a St what isical wait what I’m saying is a St what I’m saying is that your people and you I’m saying is that your people and you could find this in some text and L if could find this in some text and L if you if you’ve been in like You’ bet you if you’ve been in like You’ bet you’ve B bumped into a discussion where you’ve B bumped into a discussion where is like no we’re not none of us are good is like no we’re not none of us are good because even if you’re doing something because even if you’re doing something good it’s because you find pleasure it good it’s because you find pleasure it and therefore you’re doing it for and therefore you’re doing it for yourself and and you know like and so on yourself and and you know like and so on where that come from that comes from where that come from that comes from emuel K in the system that comes from is emuel K in the system that comes from is there like what’s the pathway from there like what’s the pathway from system count and told that to everyone system count and told that to everyone no seriously he did no seriously he did um it’s a very interesting question how um it’s a very interesting question how things come from count to the what they do it’s one of the came in the back this do it’s one of the came in the back this is why is why no no no it’s more complicated it’s a no no no it’s more complicated it’s a lot more complicated than this but not lot more complicated than this but not not not wait the fact is that it does I not not wait the fact is that it does I don’t know uh this is why people start don’t know uh this is why people start talking about like Spirit of the age and talking about like Spirit of the age and things like that I think they actually things like that I think they actually did that’s did that’s well yeah yeah people have actually read well yeah yeah people have actually read it but also it’s just these kind of it but also it’s just these kind of tricky things that were after as in the tricky things that were after as in the first part of my class or whatever this first part of my class or whatever this is uh these things are the kind of is uh these things are the kind of things where the most frar person person things where the most frar person person generally believ the same thing as the generally believ the same thing as the most PR person it doesn’t really help most PR person it doesn’t really help and I’ve had a classes about this and and I’ve had a classes about this and here that we talked only about that here that we talked only about that doesn’t really help to read only books doesn’t really help to read only books written in Rashi script you still have written in Rashi script you still have your basic categories of thought the your basic categories of thought the same ones as everyone that reads all the same ones as everyone that reads all the Goa books and it’s actually even worse Goa books and it’s actually even worse because you don’t even know that doesn’t because you don’t even know that doesn’t help nobody knows that but that’s just help nobody knows that but that’s just the reality I don’t know how it happens the reality I don’t know how it happens somehow it happens there’s you can have somehow it happens there’s you can have a we can have a lot of uh research of it a we can have a lot of uh research of it happens but it doesn’t happen I think happens but it doesn’t happen I think the first thing it does that it just the first thing it does that it just comes to the back in sense that it comes to the back in sense that it collapses the original pH like collap collapses the original pH like collap and then by some over time by default in and then by some over time by default in the back possibly I don’t know how it the back possibly I don’t know how it happens but it sort of happens that you there there are some no happens that you there there are some no there are some later that understand in there are some later that understand in this way and that is the wrong way to this way and that is the wrong way to understand no the ban has things like understand no the ban has things like this and it’s not precount by the way this and it’s not precount by the way but it is and if not it’s he thinks it but it is and if not it’s he thinks it for the same reasons that kind thinks it for the same reasons that kind thinks it doesn’t make a difference doesn’t make a difference um and yeah and but then if you’ll read um and yeah and but then if you’ll read of course B is not even if you take b as of course B is not even if you take b as a thing B is not something that you will a thing B is not something that you will find in any earlier book they’re all find in any earlier book they’re all very comfortable and this is something very comfortable and this is something the people that read like ethical or the people that read like ethical or even like P or not not only of D of even like P or not not only of D of anyone else um before some period I don’t else um before some period I don’t know no tries to say something else I know no tries to say something else I don’t know exactly what before some cut don’t know exactly what before some cut of date whenever that is none of them of date whenever that is none of them they’re all extremely comfortable with they’re all extremely comfortable with their all being for you and that’s a their all being for you and that’s a good thing I’m just noticing something good thing I’m just noticing something just making you notice something right just making you notice something right is that true I don’t know that this is is that true I don’t know that this is not true but I’m curious about the early not true but I’m curious about the early German like the 13th German like the 13th century okay I don’t know there’s always century okay I don’t know there’s always going to be all right fair enough these going to be all right fair enough these are people that don’t have explicit are people that don’t have explicit theories for anything they just have theories for anything they just have very aesthetic aism is a good no yeah no very aesthetic aism is a good no yeah no yeah but I’m I’m Pro atheism like yeah but I’m I’m Pro atheism like supposedly it’s good it’s not a problem supposedly it’s good it’s not a problem yeah maybe maybe it’s found to be yeah maybe maybe it’s found to be athetic that’s not a problem it doesn’t athetic that’s not a problem it doesn’t seem to be why they’re doing it striving seem to be why they’re doing it striving at some sort of Purity it’s I know it’s at some sort of Purity it’s I know it’s complicated I don’t think aren’t exactly like drama but but think aren’t exactly like drama but but would you say that point is I don’t I would you say that point is I don’t I think that well they talk a lot about think that well they talk a lot about love and doing things and but whatever love and doing things and but whatever isn’t this egoism idea isn’t this egoism idea like one thing are not into is breaking like one thing are not into is breaking your ego you won’t find any language your ego you won’t find any language like that and you won’t find the like like that and you won’t find the like they don’t have the concept of course they don’t have the concept of course but not having what I’m talking about but not having what I’m talking about they might be about things like they might be about things like suffering in this world to get pleasure suffering in this world to get pleasure in the next World I don’t know things in the next World I don’t know things like like the reason but they’re not like like the reason but they’re not going to say I’m trying to do things not going to say I’m trying to do things not for myself but for God anti they will for myself but for God anti they will say things like loving God means doing say things like loving God means doing things for him even when it hurts you things for him even when it hurts you that’s different cuz they’re not saying that’s different cuz they’re not saying that it’s the selflessness that makes it that it’s the selflessness that makes it goodis as as a whole kind of M system goodis as as a whole kind of M system rests like the only virtue you need to rests like the only virtue you need to have in theological it could be but no I have in theological it could be but no I don’t think it’s necessarily that don’t think it’s necessarily that utilitarian systems because I mean makes utilitarian systems because I mean makes the most good maybe I feel more good the most good maybe I feel more good than everyone else egotistical uh no I than everyone else egotistical uh no I think that that’s the whole this is think that that’s the whole this is another I’m going to try to have one I’m going to try to have one conversation at a time it’s very hard conversation at a time it’s very hard for me to have two only even whatever um for me to have two only even whatever um no uh he was asking about ticism think no uh he was asking about ticism think that people nowadays always associate that people nowadays always associate ticism with all kinds of weird things ticism with all kinds of weird things nothing to do with anything aism is nothing to do with anything aism is great and you should be you should do it great and you should be you should do it no I don’t point is it’s I don’t no I no I don’t point is it’s I don’t no I it’s for sure not because I don’t maybe it’s for sure not because I don’t maybe there are people even actually are there are people even actually are officially against the cism like people officially against the cism like people like that they don’t see it as a g yeah like that they don’t see it as a g yeah of course it’s not of course it’s not they don’t see it as a goal in itself they don’t see it as a goal in itself for the most part um but I don’t think for the most part um but I don’t think it’s maybe there are some people that it’s maybe there are some people that that understand it like this I don’t that understand it like this I don’t think it’s order to negate the ego it’s think it’s order to negate the ego it’s maybe for like purifying your body or maybe for like purifying your body or for or for making your stuff receptive for or for making your stuff receptive to non-material things things like that to non-material things things like that but they it’s still for themselves none but they it’s still for themselves none of them are worried like I’m just doing of them are worried like I’m just doing it for myself this worry is a very M and it for myself this worry is a very M and worried MH uh none of them are worried worried MH uh none of them are worried about this like am I really doing it for about this like am I really doing it for like what we call the often and you’ll like what we call the often and you’ll notice that LMA doesn’t mean this um in notice that LMA doesn’t mean this um in the earlier sources none of them are the earlier sources none of them are worried about worried about that they of course against themselves that they of course against themselves in a different sense like in the sense in a different sense like in the sense of you know humans of you know humans have this is really we have to get back have this is really we have to get back to like where humans have some to like where humans have some destructive Tendencies and you have to destructive Tendencies and you have to reain them in or use them whatever it is reain them in or use them whatever it is but that the point isn’t to break but that the point isn’t to break yourself the point isn’t to be selfless yourself the point isn’t to be selfless that’s that’s what and that’s not what that’s that’s what and that’s not what makes the thing anything good that’s not makes the thing anything good that’s not even a condition of something be good even a condition of something be good and and it’s very by the way this is and and it’s very by the way this is once I’m on this point we do have of once I’m on this point we do have of course accusation think talk about course accusation think talk about hypocrisy right something like well like hypocrisy right something like well like even he’s only doing it for the reward even he’s only doing it for the reward or he’s only doing it to people say he’s or he’s only doing it to people say he’s a good person right that’s not there is such I think I’m learning people should call me think I’m learning people should call me re I’m learning people should respect me re I’m learning people should respect me learning order to get but you’re not learning order to get but you’re not actually you you should actually kill by actually you you should actually kill by yourself that would be the argument but yourself that would be the argument but that’s not actually would say something that’s not actually would say something like that but other people I think would like that but other people I think would say um she say um she dishonest okay and it’s the bad thing to dishonest okay and it’s the bad thing to be dishonest might be yeah I can I can be dishonest might be yeah I can I can understand that I think for the most understand that I think for the most part the problem with doing that the part the problem with doing that the problem with being hypocrite is that you problem with being hypocrite is that you sometimes do bad things not it’s not sometimes do bad things not it’s not about the good things that you do we about the good things that you do we have this weird modern uh ethics that have this weird modern uh ethics that prioritizes not being a hypocrite over prioritizes not being a hypocrite over being a good being a good person like my I used to go to my’s person like my I used to go to my’s thing he said yeah you’re going not be a thing he said yeah you’re going not be a you’re going to be a real shy no no you’re going to be a real shy no no point of being a real shy but there’s a whole the people the shy but there’s a whole the people the people that we read they have talks they people that we read they have talks they talk about this sometimes but for a talk about this sometimes but for a bunch of reasons um I think bunch of reasons um I think that what I would say is like this like that what I would say is like this like when we talk about people like he just when we talk about people like he just pretends to give s that’s what we’re pretends to give s that’s what we’re saying cuz he’s not really giving s or saying cuz he’s not really giving s or he’s only give it when people see and he he’s only give it when people see and he doesn’t give it when you don’t see the doesn’t give it when you don’t see the problem is that he doesn’t do it when he problem is that he doesn’t do it when he don’t see so he’s not really a good don’t see so he’s not really a good person he’s not doing enough good things person he’s not doing enough good things he should be doing more good things or he should be doing more good things or be a better person it’s the problem be a better person it’s the problem isn’t that there’s an internal isn’t that there’s an internal contradiction that you we’re not worried contradiction that you we’re not worried about that and we’re also not worried about that and we’re also not worried about God is what your motivation is about God is what your motivation is what but the problem is so motivations what but the problem is so motivations are important I didn’t I didn’t deny are important I didn’t I didn’t deny that what your motivation is is that what your motivation is is important right everyone agrees I mean important right everyone agrees I mean it’s at least more except to think to it’s at least more except to think to say that if you do a good thing for a say that if you do a good thing for a bad reason then you’re some still bad reason then you’re some still something of a bad person and it’s something of a bad person and it’s opposite because of what we’re thinking opposite because of what we’re thinking of virtue ethics that becomes more of virtue ethics that becomes more important but right but it’s not that the bad but right but it’s not that the bad reason makes the good thing eth going on reason makes the good thing eth going on or it’s not the entire ethic is just or it’s not the entire ethic is just reveals in correct that doesn’t reveals in correct that doesn’t consistently produce good results yeah consistently produce good results yeah like I’m saying the problem with being a like I’m saying the problem with being a hypocrite is that when nobody looks you hypocrite is that when nobody looks you do bad things that is a very real do bad things that is a very real practical problem yeah but I don’t think practical problem yeah but I don’t think it’s necessarily just like almost like a it’s necessarily just like almost like a a a a consequential analysis it also a a a consequential analysis it also tells you about who the God Is tells you about who the God Is Right like what you’re what you’re for Right like what you’re what you’re for who we spoke about last week right some who we spoke about last week right some Gods follow people with them I Gods follow people with them I understand but what’s the but but what’s understand but what’s the but but what’s the yeah I remember what I said about the yeah I remember what I said about that but what does what does it mean that but what does what does it mean what it means is that you’re not a good what it means is that you’re not a good person right right or you have a bad person right right or you have a bad God okay I think the underlying thing God okay I think the underlying thing behind that is that there’s secret behind that is that there’s secret virtue of Ethics going on virtue of Ethics going on even a modern way of thinking and the even a modern way of thinking and the high an ideal person is someone who high an ideal person is someone who is very strange very circular but is is very strange very circular but is exactly what they are so therefore if exactly what they are so therefore if somehow you’re saying that you’re a good somehow you’re saying that you’re a good guy and you’re not really that that’s guy and you’re not really that that’s the worst kind of person I think it’s the worst kind of person I think it’s really a virtual ethic that they still really a virtual ethic that they still in that’s why they’re should that oh the in that’s why they’re should that oh the modern people no I the modern people are modern people no I the modern people are are busy with this for all are busy with this for all reasons no I don’t I actually think that reasons no I don’t I actually think that there’s reasons but I don’t want to get there’s reasons but I don’t want to get into this into this now yeah I don’t think I think it’s you now yeah I don’t think I think it’s you can always say that things slip in can always say that things slip in because this but I slipping in arguments because this but I slipping in arguments are like people are always naturally are like people are always naturally thinking that way so they keep on thinking that way so they keep on thinking that way thinking that way but there definitely some sort of ethic but there definitely some sort of ethic that that ideal person is someone who’s that that ideal person is someone who’s true to themselves or something along true to themselves or something along those oh but that’s a whole new thing those oh but that’s a whole new thing being true to yourself is is a but being true to yourself is is a but that’s I think that’s going on with the that’s I think that’s going on with the hypocrisy yeah but that’s a whole hypocrisy yeah but that’s a whole different that’s a whole different different that’s a whole different virtue that’s a whole different ethic virtue that’s a whole different ethic that’s saying that the best person is that’s saying that the best person is the person that does what he really the person that does what he really wants that’s that’s that’s a whole sh that’s that’s that’s that’s a whole sh that’s what I’m saying itself people who say what I’m saying itself people who say that that’s what they natur itself I that that’s what they natur itself I guess you can have you can say you guess you can have you can say you should do what you want cuz God says so should do what you want cuz God says so you should do what you want because you should do what you want because that’s good for you you do what you want that’s good for you you do what you want because it will make most people happy because it will make most people happy or something like that you can have all or something like that you can have all time but I’m saying but I’m I just said time but I’m saying but I’m I just said sliping because I think a lot of those sliping because I think a lot of those people will deny that they have NE say I people will deny that they have NE say I understand it’s actually not clear where understand it’s actually not clear where where self-actualization as a virtual where self-actualization as a virtual comes from but I’m saying but it comes from but I’m saying but it is reseearch is about right anyways is reseearch is about right anyways that’s why okay no I think it’s most mostly for why okay no I think it’s most mostly for other reasons because because we don’t other reasons because because we don’t believe in anything being really good so believe in anything being really good so the only place we can argue from is what the only place we can argue from is what you yourself you yourself say right if we have like some objective say right if we have like some objective accepted things you should not be a accepted things you should not be a murderer well sort of we accept that murderer well sort of we accept that still but hopefully but then we could still but hopefully but then we could say okay you’re a bad person because say okay you’re a bad person because you’re because it says the or whatever you’re because it says the or whatever because everyone know objectively known because everyone know objectively known to be bad but since we in some sense to be bad but since we in some sense think that the source of everything is think that the source of everything is what you people think so the only really what you people think so the only really way to be bad is not to do what you way to be bad is not to do what you really think and that’s a very really think and that’s a very problematic thing cuz humans are problematic thing cuz humans are notoriously not the kind of things that notoriously not the kind of things that are like consistent so therefore like are like consistent so therefore like basing everything on this it’s like okay basing everything on this it’s like okay then they have everything everyone’s then they have everything everyone’s hypocrite anyway so it’s use list the hypocrite anyway so it’s use list the argument that’s what about ISM and get argument that’s what about ISM and get into this whole problem that’s what I into this whole problem that’s what I always think but I don’t know if that’s always think but I don’t know if that’s like a just a thought I’m sure that’s like a just a thought I’m sure that’s someone smarter than me already M wrote someone smarter than me already M wrote a whole book about this anyways a whole book about this anyways okay so the point is that we have to okay so the point is that we have to figure out how to think this way and figure out how to think this way and it’s actually the extremely simplistic it’s actually the extremely simplistic way of thinking maybe it’s wrong because way of thinking maybe it’s wrong because too simplistic and and then we’ll be too simplistic and and then we’ll be able to to appreciate all the things able to to appreciate all the things that all the books that we read are that all the books that we read are saying and of course then there’s that saying and of course then there’s that doesn’t solve any problems it just gives doesn’t solve any problems it just gives a framework of thinking not saying most a framework of thinking not saying most problems end up in every system but problems end up in every system but that’s the important thing that’s why that’s the important thing that’s why that’s what we’re supposed to read that’s what we’re supposed to read that’s why that’s what it says in the that’s why that’s what it says in the beginning of this chapter one beginning of this chapter one of which is sort of a summary of of which is sort of a summary of psychology or what he call psychology psychology or what he call psychology right the science of the Soul um knowing right the science of the Soul um knowing what a soul is all the parts of the Soul what a soul is all the parts of the Soul which are not really which are not really parts and the reason why we have to know parts and the reason why we have to know is in order to know what is a good one is in order to know what is a good one or his analogy is what is a healthy one or his analogy is what is a healthy one we did this once when we discuss the we did this once when we discuss the soul but now we’re doing it again soul but now we’re doing it again because we want to discuss the what to because we want to discuss the what to do and we did it it was the wrong place do and we did it it was the wrong place to do it we didn’t really because that’s to do it we didn’t really because that’s prioritizing the what the soul is like a prioritizing the what the soul is like a scientific question but like a you know scientific question but like a you know a metaphysical a metaphysical question and we discussed over there question and we discussed over there also that it’s not not all the also that it’s not not all the scientific or metaphysical questions scientific or metaphysical questions about that are relevant to this maybe about that are relevant to this maybe some of them are or maybe only in a some of them are or maybe only in a broadly rough way they’re relevant but broadly rough way they’re relevant but what it is relevant is that this that’s what it is relevant is that this that’s what I’m trying want to get to what is what I’m trying want to get to what is relevant is that these two questions are relevant is that these two questions are related at all right in other words the related at all right in other words the question of what a person is or what a question of what a person is or what a body is what a soul is is the first body is what a soul is is the first thing you need to know if you want to thing you need to know if you want to talk about what a person is to talk about what a person is to do what which is really what a person is do what which is really what a person is to be because the doing is part of the to be because the doing is part of the being a person is more of a doing than a being a person is more of a doing than a being which is another way of saying being which is another way of saying he’s more of a soul than a he’s more of a soul than a body in our sty language right and body in our sty language right and therefore in order to discuss what a therefore in order to discuss what a person it should be we need to discuss person it should be we need to discuss first what he is first what he is right that’s why I’m saying going back right that’s why I’m saying going back to what I was saying earlier about to what I was saying earlier about doesn’t do this in a very in a very doesn’t do this in a very in a very philosophical way because we really if philosophical way because we really if you read Aristotle he really really says you read Aristotle he really really says this he really says he really like opens this he really says he really like opens up the question of what is the best thing for thing for people and says that we will find out people and says that we will find out what the best thing is with is another what the best thing is with is another way of saying What happiness is by way of saying What happiness is by finding out what a person what the doing finding out what a person what the doing of a person of a person is what kind of a thing he is because is what kind of a thing he is because the best thing for everything is to be the best thing for everything is to be what that is what that thing is that’s what that is what that thing is that’s like an assumption and he claims that it would assumption and he claims that it would be very weird to think that everything be very weird to think that everything has a what it is besides for a person has a what it is besides for a person it’s not actually so weird though is it it’s not actually so weird though is it the place where the goes through this the place where the goes through this argument is not here but interestingly argument is not here but interestingly in the of and sort of a side rant he went on over and sort of a side rant he went on over there and I copied you both of those there and I copied you both of those pages where he goes through the entire pages where he goes through the entire what’s known as the functional argument what’s known as the functional argument of Aristotle he says it on a very of Aristotle he says it on a very theistic way but the to answer the theistic way but the to answer the person is for and therefore that was be person is for and therefore that was be what a person should do that’s going to what a person should do that’s going to Define everything but what I think is Define everything but what I think is that we need to at least understand this that we need to at least understand this question I think we discussed it in some question I think we discussed it in some way person not initiated and way person not initiated and understanding what good understanding what good is well that’s has to do with something is well that’s has to do with something we discussed earlier in previous classes we discussed earlier in previous classes but also the thing that most people but also the thing that most people nowadays would say would be something nowadays would say would be something like well you can choose whatever you like well you can choose whatever you want a person to be and there seems to want a person to be and there seems to be so many different kinds of be so many different kinds of people and with so many different people and with so many different Perfections and why who said that there Perfections and why who said that there is even such a thing as a human being is even such a thing as a human being right and could this is the is the study right and could this is the is the study of that in moral education or is this of that in moral education or is this that theological that theological education what education what ises should I learn about should I learn ises should I learn about should I learn about what kind of person about should I about what kind of person about should I first practice being a good person and first practice being a good person and and see what that’s like or do I need to and see what that’s like or do I need to first get a conception of I don’t know first get a conception of I don’t know if if for this it’s also true I mean he if if for this it’s also true I mean he says that you think that we can’t find says that you think that we can’t find out what a person is for without first out what a person is for without first being that person maybe able too sure I mean I person maybe able too sure I mean I could think of should be I could think could think of should be I could think of this it’s well how do we find out how of this it’s well how do we find out how old things are people don’t actually old things are people don’t actually come with an instruction manual unlike come with an instruction manual unlike what says it doesn’t say on the box what what says it doesn’t say on the box what it’s for or does it does it say it on it’s for or does it does it say it on rocks well I think in a more simple way rocks well I think in a more simple way than it thought on people maybe we could than it thought on people maybe we could we could work our way to plants depends we could work our way to plants depends what you mean by rocks re as an Building what you mean by rocks re as an Building Material no you could basically do a lot Material no you could basically do a lot of things with them I’m not maybe we’ll of things with them I’m not maybe we’ll miss out on on on miss out on on on on I guess that’s my question is like it on I guess that’s my question is like it does seem to be something actually does seem to be something actually starts not from rocks the starts from starts not from rocks the starts from Rax it’s interesting Aristotle starts Rax it’s interesting Aristotle starts from if you read not this the first from if you read not this the first starts from Rax and says we know what starts from Rax and says we know what rocks are for but we don’t know what rocks are for but we don’t know what people are for so we have to find out people are for so we have to find out arist actually starts with human Arts arist actually starts with human Arts with people doing things I don’t know if with people doing things I don’t know if these are this is very interesting cuz these are this is very interesting cuz if you said do we know what rocks are if you said do we know what rocks are for I mean if you have a very very limited I mean if you have a very very limited definition of what rocks are then yes definition of what rocks are then yes rocks before anyone did anything with rocks before anyone did anything with them well as natural objects yeah I mean them well as natural objects yeah I mean they’re natural logic they also have they’re natural logic they also have potentially a lot of things you could potentially a lot of things you could build skyscrapers out of them or Rockets build skyscrapers out of them or Rockets or I mean they could be good or bad in or I mean they could be good or bad in some sense right right that’s only when some sense right right that’s only when when when human activity is applied yes when when human activity is applied yes okay but those are using racks right okay but those are using racks right using racks you so what a rack for so using racks you so what a rack for so when I wait when I use a rack in order when I wait when I use a rack in order to make a to make a slingshot and shoot to make a to make a slingshot and shoot a good person I’m missing the rack a good person I’m missing the rack that’s right not what a rock is for it’s that’s right not what a rock is for it’s what rock was made for rocks were not what rock was made for rocks were not make a rock for the foundation of you’re make a rock for the foundation of you’re saying some very complicated things no I saying some very complicated things no I I I don’t think so do we know what racks I I don’t think so do we know what racks are for is it correct like this would be are for is it correct like this would be like a rack ethic is it like are there like a rack ethic is it like are there is it if you take a rack and throw it at is it if you take a rack and throw it at your friend for no reason you’re your friend for no reason you’re misusing the rack as a rack misusing the rack as a rack I don’t think that’s true tell you why I don’t think that’s true tell you why not I mean some mus say things like this not I mean some mus say things like this Ro how do they teach you in Nursery Ro how do they teach you in Nursery Hands Are Not For Hands Are Not For Hitting rocks are not for throwing at Hitting rocks are not for throwing at your friend but are they for throwing at your friend but are they for throwing at your enemy so it’s very weird like what your enemy so it’s very weird like what the Rock is for is decid if that guy the Rock is for is decid if that guy deserves to have rock thrown at deserves to have rock thrown at him I don’t know sounds like a weird I him I don’t know sounds like a weird I would say I would if you would ask me would say I would if you would ask me this question I would say well no that’s this question I would say well no that’s not true cuz racks by what they are are not true cuz racks by what they are are not for anything they they’re just for not for anything they they’re just for being hard objects okay but if a if a being hard objects okay but if a if a rock is soft you can take that do rock is soft you can take that do whatever performed by whatever process whatever performed by whatever process forms them and and so on I agree the forms them and and so on I agree the definition has to be Bas I think the definition has to be Bas I think the fact that you categorize them is hard is fact that you categorize them is hard is a product of the fact of evolutionary a product of the fact of evolutionary history we’ve used rocks as hard history we’ve used rocks as hard things well are they hard they’re not things well are they hard they’re not hard they’re soft I mean hard and soft hard they’re soft I mean hard and soft maybe a relative definition there’s an maybe a relative definition there’s an infinite number of things you can say by infinite number of things you can say by a rock and you chose one we all choose a rock and you chose one we all choose that one as a rock okay wait so I’m that one as a rock okay wait so I’m talking about that one for let’s talk talking about that one for let’s talk about that’s a different question I’m about that’s a different question I’m talking about this one the one that I talking about this one the one that I care about the Reon in the sense that I care about the Reon in the sense that I care about it or I don’t know if I care about it or I don’t know if I really care about this but let’s say you really care about this but let’s say you is there I don’t actually think there’s is there I don’t actually think there’s an infinite amount of things I mean an infinite amount of things I mean there’s a finite amount of things what there’s a finite amount of things what sound more correct a lot you mean a lot sound more correct a lot you mean a lot um is a soft rock a good rock but it’s um is a soft rock a good rock but it’s even true for us that that there’s many even true for us that that there’s many things that we can talk about rocks but things that we can talk about rocks but that’s why I’m that’s why I’m saying well so is one of them okay is saying well so is one of them okay is one of them what you throw them for okay one of them what you throw them for okay let’s say the many I don’t know why let’s say the many I don’t know why there’s an infinite amount I mean maybe there’s an infinite amount I mean maybe the universe is infinite maybe the the universe is infinite maybe the infinite possibilities okay but in a infinite possibilities okay but in a limited way right in other words they’re limited way right in other words they’re not right they’re not they’re also not not right they’re not they’re also not an infinite L amount of things right not okay it could be a lot of things I not okay it could be a lot of things I agree but I have a feeling that it can’t agree but I have a feeling that it can’t that the question no I don’t know I have that the question no I don’t know I have a feeling I’m just making this up now I a feeling I’m just making this up now I have a feeling that the questions of if have a feeling that the questions of if I throw it at my friend or at my enemy I throw it at my friend or at my enemy has nothing to do with a wreck has nothing to do with a wreck that’s true but if a rock is soft that that’s true but if a rock is soft that might be an very good so rocks are for might be an very good so rocks are for throwing let’s say rocks are for throwing let’s say rocks are for throwing at people throwing at people pillows unless they’re yakini I mean pillows unless they’re yakini I mean yeah maybe they are I don’t know no no yeah maybe they are I don’t know no no no I like this to pick an easier example no I like this to pick an easier example not for soft pillows if pillow need to not for soft pillows if pillow need to be soft Ro are not for that plant thatl be soft Ro are not for that plant thatl is not a good point wait wait let what’s is not a good point wait wait let what’s talk about why are we talking I don’t talk about why are we talking I don’t know because we need some what we know because we need some what we started with something like this let’s started with something like this let’s assume that assume that good things good people are good like good things good people are good like things good just means you want to things good just means you want to derive an a from it is I don’t know what derive an a from it is I don’t know what these concepts mean no exactly this these concepts mean no exactly this whole sh oh my God you should know more whole sh oh my God you should know more the history is like that this is this is the history is like that this is this is all nonsense there’s of course there’s all nonsense there’s of course there’s from is and all not only is SS are more from is and all not only is SS are more basic than is is and what actually basic than is is and what actually exists is onlys and not ises anyways exists is onlys and not ises anyways well in some weird way in any case all well in some weird way in any case all ises whatever it doesn’t matter this is ises whatever it doesn’t matter this is just a madeup concept that David you just a madeup concept that David you made up and it’s just a m made up and it’s just a m listen all and also it’s very but back listen all and also it’s very but back to what I were saying earlier it’s a to what I were saying earlier it’s a very when you say that you’re using an very when you say that you’re using an entire con conceptual World which is not entire con conceptual World which is not actually what most people the way most actually what most people the way most people think and I know philosophers people think and I know philosophers like mod philosophers like going around like mod philosophers like going around well you’re all wrong okay maybe because well you’re all wrong okay maybe because you didn’t learn my way of thinking but you didn’t learn my way of thinking but maybe your way of thinking is the one maybe your way of thinking is the one wrong and of course all of uh if reality wrong and of course all of uh if reality has the question is just like this has the question is just like this there’s many ways of there’s a lot of there’s many ways of there’s a lot of thoughts about this but the main main thoughts about this but the main main way of thinking about this is that if way of thinking about this is that if reality has ODS in it then there’s no reality has ODS in it then there’s no problem with any of these problem with any of these derivations and you just decided that it derivations and you just decided that it doesn’t but that’s just decision that doesn’t but that’s just decision that someone made and is just as a basic someone made and is just as a basic concept well is a very weird way of concept well is a very weird way of talking about it but it’s should is or talking about it but it’s should is or like we said is just as much as a simple like we said is just as much as a simple thing that we can see as is is I don’t thing that we can see as is is I don’t know if must must is another thing in know if must must is another thing in other words uh we can all other words uh we can all see or or almost see I don’t know if see or or almost see I don’t know if it’s correct to say see but we can all it’s correct to say see but we can all see that there is like you said an ideal see that there is like you said an ideal uh there’s better and worse ways of uh there’s better and worse ways of playing music they’re not decided by or playing music they’re not decided by or not entirely decided right maybe they not entirely decided right maybe they some not entirely decided by what the some not entirely decided by what the listeners want to hear there is some listeners want to hear there is some limit to what listeners can decide good limit to what listeners can decide good music is maybe there’s broad limit but music is maybe there’s broad limit but there’s some limit to it and a good there’s some limit to it and a good music is one that fulfills that ideal music is one that fulfills that ideal music this is closer to that ideal that music this is closer to that ideal that that’s the basic thought here and you that’s the basic thought here and you can talk a lot about this but it’s can talk a lot about this but it’s actually well I should have I should actually well I should have I should make it more simple but it’s not make it more simple but it’s not actually I think it’s actually like um yeah it’s the normal way of talking um yeah it’s the normal way of talking normal people talk this way not tell normal people talk this way not tell normal people there St I want to help normal people there St I want to help build build theories above this but build build theories above this but normal people want this is a good table normal people want this is a good table I mean to say it’s good for being a I mean to say it’s good for being a table well there’s a lot of kinds of table well there’s a lot of kinds of table and like I said I don’t I think table and like I said I don’t I think it’s it’s not like not very constricted it’s it’s not like not very constricted but there’s some limit to to what it but there’s some limit to to what it is and assuming that we didn’t really is and assuming that we didn’t really like if that we didn’t like get into if like if that we didn’t like get into if this whole thought is true but assuming this whole thought is true but assuming that thought what we want to know now is that thought what we want to know now is how would we get from that to finding out what human beings that to finding out what human beings and the weird thing about human beings and the weird thing about human beings is or about human actions is that is or about human actions is that there’s too many of them probably even there’s too many of them probably even maybe even more than there are for roxs maybe even more than there are for roxs or maybe humans are the ones that cause or maybe humans are the ones that cause roxs to have so many of them in some at least in some them in some at least in some sense it’s very a person is is such an sense it’s very a person is is such an undetermined thing isn’t that is that a undetermined thing isn’t that is that a basic fact or that something I made up I basic fact or that something I made up I think it’s a b definitely can the think it’s a b definitely can the possibilities of what if you start when possibilities of what if you start when I say basically just like what you start I say basically just like what you start from just looking around like as little from just looking around like as little boy there’s all kind of people and they boy there’s all kind of people and they have all kind of different rulers for have all kind of different rulers for what what they want to be when they when what what they want to be when they when about the table music about people that about the table music about people that they Li being a good person but you they Li being a good person but you recognize well I agree that there’s a recognize well I agree that there’s a limit in other words like if you tooken limit in other words like if you tooken the physical sense it’s very easy to see the physical sense it’s very easy to see right if take take a human as like a right if take take a human as like a doctor would see a physical doctor sees doctor would see a physical doctor sees a person then yes uh a person then yes uh very few people would claim I mean there very few people would claim I mean there are ableist you know ableism research are ableist you know ableism research that tries to claim that but many few that tries to claim that but many few very few people would claim that having very few people would claim that having only one leg is the best way of being a only one leg is the best way of being a being very few people think that or I being very few people think that or I think you go go for opinion is that true think you go go for opinion is that true I don’t know maybe really we should have I don’t know maybe really we should have one leg and we’re all weird we or like one leg and we’re all weird we or like who says that what’s normal like who who says that what’s normal like who decides I don’t know what is the physical P of know what is the physical P of decides I can’t decide what it’s decides I can’t decide what it’s normal um uh it’s a good question though normal um uh it’s a good question though um yeah you can’t or I would say um yeah you can’t or I would say something is a prerequisite something is a prerequisite understanding humans or understanding humans or rocks moral education right being raised rocks moral education right being raised no so that’s what I’m saying going back no so that’s what I’m saying going back to this like if you say something like to this like if you say something like this so where does my per perplexity this so where does my per perplexity come from like if and this is like true come from like if and this is like true in reality it’s true right not in reality it’s true right not philosophically true if someone is philosophically true if someone is raised in a place where there’s only one raised in a place where there’s only one way of being a good person like you way of being a good person like you could only be a l and only for and only could only be a l and only for and only two of those anything else doesn’t count two of those anything else doesn’t count as being a good person right so it’s as being a good person right so it’s very simple and if you like were raising very simple and if you like were raising down the bubble where you only know down the bubble where you only know about that then you only have any the about that then you only have any the basic question of of Ethics doesn’t basic question of of Ethics doesn’t exist for exist for you because yeah like like in other you because yeah like like in other words if I ask you to make a picture of words if I ask you to make a picture of a complete human being you make a a complete human being you make a picture of a guy with a hat and a jacket picture of a guy with a hat and a jacket sitting back in right and if I give you sitting back in right and if I give you a picture of something without like that a picture of something without like that wait there’s something missing from the wait there’s something missing from the guy he’s not a guy he’s not a complete human where’s his hash should complete human where’s his hash should the right yeah this is true so now but of course yeah this is true so now but of course that’s Weir we have why do we end up that’s Weir we have why do we end up with a question because we don’t live in with a question because we don’t live in that world especially if we read some that world especially if we read some books or if we look on the internet or books or if we look on the internet or if we meet people and so on we see all if we meet people and so on we see all kinds of kinds of people not only with different levels of people not only with different levels of perfection but also with different ideas perfection but also with different ideas of what Perfection would of what Perfection would be and they’re aiming at different be and they’re aiming at different things right this guy wants to be the things right this guy wants to be the have maybe it’s limited I don’t know have maybe it’s limited I don’t know maybe we could figure out what is what maybe we could figure out what is what everyone agrees on I don’t know is it everyone agrees on I don’t know is it limited by a general idea of what human limited by a general idea of what human beings want to be and we no so what beings want to be and we no so what you’re saying is maybe it’s limited by you’re saying is maybe it’s limited by if you would already have a good an if you would already have a good an education where everyone is already education where everyone is already trying to be a a lot of clients could be trying to be a a lot of clients could be good but none of them are good if they would okay maybe maybe I mean I could would okay maybe maybe I mean I could say something I think if someone would say something I think if someone would tell me you know using a human as a as a tell me you know using a human as a as a as a H actually it’s even This is as a H actually it’s even This is complicated but if I say something like complicated but if I say something like using a human for a for using a human for a for uh instrumental task yeah like making a uh instrumental task yeah like making a out of a human look and that’s not what out of a human look and that’s not what humans are humans are for it might work if you need for it might work if you need it it’s like no one has a problem with it it’s like no one has a problem with using a plant as a SI we have a problem using a plant as a SI we have a problem with plant that w we don’t have a with plant that w we don’t have a problem with that but it’s not I don’t problem with that but it’s not I don’t think it’s what they’re what it’s think it’s what they’re what it’s they’re they’re not happy with that I they’re they’re not happy with that I don’t think the plants are happy being don’t think the plants are happy being being your okay I remember about plants being your okay I remember about plants plants plants don’t have happiness but plants plants don’t have happiness but humans aren’t happy no but I’m saying is humans aren’t happy no but I’m saying is we as a human is not happy with as a as we as a human is not happy with as a as a plant no but that’s different it’s a plant no but that’s different it’s it’s the difference between planting it’s the difference between planting trees to make a and and and humans if I trees to make a and and and humans if I tie up my friend and make him a human I’m doing something wrong right human I’m doing something wrong right second we’re not talking about the human second we’re not talking about the human being that’s making into the we’re being that’s making into the we’re talking about the man that’s the is that talking about the man that’s the is that bad I’m doing something wrong because bad I’m doing something wrong because I’m doing something wrong to him I’m I’m doing something wrong to him I’m misusing I know but I’m saying but the misusing I know but I’m saying but the the issue that what we’re describing is the issue that what we’re describing is the issue with the not with the right the issue with the not with the right what about this definition no meaning my what about this definition no meaning my question’s like this what we what we question’s like this what we what we might want to find out about human might want to find out about human beings oh try I was going to suggest beings oh try I was going to suggest that better could be defined as having that better could be defined as having everything that the worst thing has everything that the worst thing has plus okay like plus okay like well like a stupid example would be like well like a stupid example would be like a guy is stronger than another guy he’s a guy is stronger than another guy he’s able to do what the other guy’s able to able to do what the other guy’s able to do plus more okay so a good a good pot a do plus more okay so a good a good pot a a regular potato is just a potato and a a regular potato is just a potato and a good potato is a potato that has good potato is a potato that has sprouting and mold oh it’s different cuz sprouting and mold oh it’s different cuz we’re using potatoes no more of what I we’re using potatoes no more of what I think the question is more of what so if think the question is more of what so if it just fatter you’re not a better it just fatter you’re not a better person by having more meat well you’re person by having more meat well you’re asking that there could be different asking that there could be different like you could have like a lion and a like you could have like a lion and a and let’s say an elephant so which one’s and let’s say an elephant so which one’s better cuz one of them wants the agress better cuz one of them wants the agress and one of them wants well I don’t know and one of them wants well I don’t know if any of them is better than the others if any of them is better than the others cuz they’re trying to do different cuz they’re trying to do different things that’s the exact question that’s things that’s the exact question that’s why have the same problem with people why have the same problem with people some people are ling some elephants we some people are ling some elephants we trying to figure out if any of them are trying to figure out if any of them are better than the Maybe not maybe maybe if better than the Maybe not maybe maybe if you go down a level on each thing their you go down a level on each thing their their their differences are trying to their their differences are trying to satisfy like lower level desires satisfy like lower level desires or like what the elephant trying to do or like what the elephant trying to do is live and what the line’s trying to do is live and what the line’s trying to do is live so forget about the grass thing is live so forget about the grass thing okay that’s say okay and try better when you that’s say okay and try better when you can get to the bottom of the branching can get to the bottom of the branching of how they do what they want to do and of how they do what they want to do and end up different everyone does that end up different everyone does that better is better but is it like how how better is better but is it like how how would we say something like well there’s would we say something like well there’s like a common denominator let’s say like a common denominator let’s say they’re both alive actually plants maybe they’re both alive actually plants maybe are also alive in some way or maybe in are also alive in some way or maybe in the same way as an elephant really um the same way as an elephant really um maybe they’re also like I think when it maybe they’re also like I think when it comes to you want say that elephants are comes to you want say that elephants are better at plant than being at being better at plant than being at being alive no I’m not saying being alive I’m not no I’m not saying being alive I’m not I’m not passing judgment on on the I’m not passing judgment on on the plants and the elephants I’m saying why plants and the elephants I’m saying why not what’s wrong their elephant not what’s wrong their elephant committee is going to be mad or the committee is going to be mad or the plant committee no it just doesn’t make sense committee no it just doesn’t make sense but we do want to do that with people but we do want to do that with people and how we’re going to do it it’s not so and how we’re going to do it it’s not so much that we want to do it with other much that we want to do it with other people it’s more that we want to know people it’s more that we want to know what we I I can point that better yeah I what we I I can point that better yeah I get it I things for that I think there get it I things for that I think there there’s better and worse plans okay but there’s better and worse plans okay but what explains what explains what exp there better and worse plants what exp there better and worse plants at being plants sure like like one that at being plants sure like like one that ws and one that doesn’t W no nothing ws and one that doesn’t W no nothing wrong like his Min like there are some wrong like his Min like there are some plants that last you know are evergreen plants that last you know are evergreen trees better than the trees that lose trees better than the trees that lose their branches their leaves every year I their branches their leaves every year I don’t know they’re just different Min don’t know they’re just different Min like is a a there different minute this like is a a there different minute this guy does this this guy does that that’s guy does this this guy does that that’s fine but a plant that doesn’t do what fine but a plant that doesn’t do what plants do what this person what this one plants do what this person what this one is supposed to do okay yeah I agree so is supposed to do okay yeah I agree so so there isn’t any no there’s certain so there isn’t any no there’s certain things let’s say for PL hasn’t taken any things let’s say for PL hasn’t taken any nutrition right if it then it’s not being a plant right if it then it’s not being a plant at all right but then it’s not a plant at all right but then it’s not a plant if rck is bad at being a plant it’s not if rck is bad at being a plant it’s not trying to be a plant one second like trying to be a plant one second like trying I I I don’t disagree with that trying I I I don’t disagree with that but if it does it forly okay T what I’m but if it does it forly okay T what I’m trying to think trying to think is are there people I just to me to me is are there people I just to me to me the question is like this if we can the question is like this if we can derive what a human being is or if derive what a human being is or if that’s understood by understanding no I that’s understood by understanding no I want I’m asking a more question before want I’m asking a more question before that why don’t we know what humans are I that why don’t we know what humans are I think we’re becoming something we not think we’re becoming something we not are something well everything is are something well everything is becoming something plant trees are first becoming something plant trees are first small trees then they become big trees small trees then they become big trees but they don’t seem to be confused but they don’t seem to be confused there’s no adolescent trees is like there’s no adolescent trees is like should I be a big tree or a fat tree I should I be a big tree or a fat tree I don’t know he just a tree that’s all don’t know he just a tree that’s all well that’s a separ question similar well that’s a separ question similar question no but we don’t really know question no but we don’t really know what what’s better so we we grow why what what’s better so we we grow why don’t we know and we see whether whether don’t we know and we see whether whether we how are we going to find out find out we how are we going to find out find out the hard way the hard way usually but how okay but how do we usually but how okay but how do we realize like when you find out the hard realize like when you find out the hard what do you find out maybe you don’t what do you find out maybe you don’t find out maybe you just either die or find out maybe you just either die or live or live better or live worse who live or live better or live worse who says you find out okay that’s that’s a says you find out okay that’s that’s a fair question I don’t know like the the fair question I don’t know like the the question of this kind of Ethics is to question of this kind of Ethics is to figure out this is is be start because figure out this is is be start because we had this problem is that correct or we had this problem is that correct or um like it seem I don’t know if we have um like it seem I don’t know if we have the same problem for the same problem for rexs maybe because racks just do one rexs maybe because racks just do one thing and they do it well being rxs and thing and they do it well being rxs and humans do so many things and most of humans do so many things and most of them they don’t do well so we both don’t them they don’t do well so we both don’t know which how to do it well or which of know which how to do it well or which of the things should be the one we should the things should be the one we should do it’s also because we are people we do it’s also because we are people we aren’t rocks so we’re the ones asking aren’t rocks so we’re the ones asking the questions about ourselves okay maybe the questions about ourselves okay maybe there are small rocks that are going there are small rocks that are going around wondering what I’m not saying around wondering what I’m not saying that they are but I’m saying we’re not that they are but I’m saying we’re not rock so we’re not asking the rock so we’re not asking the question okay so we’re speaking from our question okay so we’re speaking from our perspective on Ro not a problem it’s perspective on Ro not a problem it’s difference oh I have to limit every difference oh I have to limit every every question I ask have to limit it every question I ask have to limit it otherwise the question whether or not we otherwise the question whether or not we know what a good tree is or whether or know what a good tree is or whether or not a tree knows what a good tree is not a tree knows what a good tree is right what’s the right what’s the problem well the knowledge of trees problem well the knowledge of trees isn’t my problem that the knowledge isn’t my problem that the knowledge isn’t so much the problem it’s the isn’t so much the problem it’s the knowledge is oh knowledge is only a way knowledge is oh knowledge is only a way of like finding out reality well the of like finding out reality well the trees have like some kind of thing trees have like some kind of thing called knowledge whatever that means I called knowledge whatever that means I don’t know but they definitely have don’t know but they definitely have knowledge in the sense of doing it being knowledge in the sense of doing it being it the problem that we have people I it the problem that we have people I don’t know if they have like a don’t know if they have like a representation of what they’re doing but representation of what they’re doing but they’re doing it I mean for the most they’re doing it I mean for the most part or or the the correct one the good part or or the the correct one the good trees there’s such a thing as a good trees there’s such a thing as a good tree right yeah and I have what was my tree right yeah and I have what was my friend saying what makes it’s very friend saying what makes it’s very interesting like if you put a hat I had interesting like if you put a hat I had a friend that oh my my platonism friend a friend that oh my my platonism friend was telling me that they had he was was telling me that they had he was wondering uh when you if you have like a wondering uh when you if you have like a thermos right you put a cold thing into thermos right you put a cold thing into it it keeps it cold you put a hot thing it it keeps it cold you put a hot thing into it it keeps it hot how does it know into it it keeps it hot how does it know if the thing is hot it doesn’t know but it maybe it hot it doesn’t know but it maybe it knows something else like how to thing knows something else like how to thing keep everything the same temperature I keep everything the same temperature I don’t know or maybe knowledge is a weird don’t know or maybe knowledge is a weird thing there’s a something funny here thing there’s a something funny here anyways but that’s my knowledge is not anyways but that’s my knowledge is not our question the question is what it is our question the question is what it is do we know it there’s another is a do we know it there’s another is a secondary question right so so I’m just secondary question right so so I’m just I’m just I’m trying to figure out the I’m just I’m trying to figure out the the dispari okay I’m telling you an the dispari okay I’m telling you an interesting fact there were two people interesting fact there were two people that asked this question the one’s name that asked this question the one’s name was Moses madis and he said the question was Moses madis and he said the question we know RS are for they’re for people we know RS are for they’re for people but we don’t know people are for and but we don’t know people are for and there was another Jew go that asked the there was another Jew go that asked the same question and he said we know all same question and he said we know all people and we don’t know people do all people and we don’t know people do all kind of things actually starts from kind of things actually starts from people do all kind of they build ships people do all kind of they build ships and they go to war and they chase women and they go to war and they chase women and they uh he didn’t say that one for and they uh he didn’t say that one for some reason and they uh what some of the some reason and they uh what some of the people are okay well then they they’re people are okay well then they they’re the other side of that I don’t know the other side of that I don’t know they’re being chased or they’re chasing they’re being chased or they’re chasing themselves or they’re chasing men and themselves or they’re chasing men and they uh have babies and what else do they uh have babies and what else do they do actually maybe that’s a they do actually maybe that’s a biological thing not a person thing I biological thing not a person thing I don’t know um and they uh they build don’t know um and they uh they build houses and they create art and they houses and they create art and they write books and what is all this for and he books and what is all this for and he says something like this think of this says something like this think of this is this is one of his arguments at least is this is one of his arguments at least one of his arguments is something like one of his arguments is something like this well if you find someone making a this well if you find someone making a brittle for a brittle for a horse I ask him why are you doing that horse I ask him why are you doing that like what is what is this making this like what is what is this making this good which is the same question as why good which is the same question as why you’re doing it and he’s like well I’m you’re doing it and he’s like well I’m making a good one for horse well okay making a good one for horse well okay why do you need to ride a horse cuz I why do you need to ride a horse cuz I have to go to war and have to go to war and why do you have to go to war cuz you why do you have to go to war cuz you want to want to win why do you want to win that question win why do you want to win that question didn’t ask him anymore but at least we didn’t ask him anymore but at least we know that that he does not just doing it know that that he does not just doing it randomly there’s actually some order in randomly there’s actually some order in the wise or in the goods that he’s doing the wise or in the goods that he’s doing like in other words if the general who like in other words if the general who knows what victory is about would come knows what victory is about would come and tell him well you’re making a nice and tell him well you’re making a nice looks very nice your horse uh accessory looks very nice your horse uh accessory but it’s not actually going to help us but it’s not actually going to help us win the war because you need to make it win the war because you need to make it stronger or different he’s going to be stronger or different he’s going to be right because he’s the one he’s really right because he’s the one he’s really what determines right there’s an order what determines right there’s an order between all these artists he might not between all these artists he might not even know how to make horse brittles but even know how to make horse brittles but he at least knows what Mak the hospitals he at least knows what Mak the hospitals good and he said it would be weird I good and he said it would be weird I don’t know why it would be weird for don’t know why it would be weird for humans in general not have something humans in general not have something like this like we know what building like this like we know what building houses are for if you like like someone houses are for if you like like someone comes to my house and like measures the comes to my house and like measures the floor I know what he’s doing it for in floor I know what he’s doing it for in order for the house to stand straight order for the house to stand straight mhm but you don’t know what everything mhm but you don’t know what everything is for may we you have to be outside of is for may we you have to be outside of it to see it maybe maybe you do or we it to see it maybe maybe you do or we don’t know who should win the war oh we don’t know who should win the war oh we know who should win the we should always know who should win the we should always win the war it’s like the question win the war it’s like the question question of cause versus purpose yeah question of cause versus purpose yeah this is a question of purpose uh or this is a question of purpose uh or something like something like that but why wouldn’t we know what the that but why wouldn’t we know what the purpose is who’s this guy Aristotle that purpose is who’s this guy Aristotle that was the question no I’m saying he used was the question no I’m saying he used this example of like within a bunch of this example of like within a bunch of things humans do we sort of know what things humans do we sort of know what they’re for or and therefore we know what is for or and therefore we know what is good right if I ask you what is a good good right if I ask you what is a good piano player you know how to answer that piano player you know how to answer that question unless you’re like a really question unless you’re like a really like radical you know you know the guy like radical you know you know the guy protagonist who says well depends what protagonist who says well depends what music you like okay but after all that music you like okay but after all that we know but if I ask you what a good we know but if I ask you what a good person is you don’t know I can know how person is you don’t know I can know how to point to one too oh I don’t know how to point to one too oh I don’t know how to point to a good person or to a good to point to a good person or to a good piano player I mean if I good piano piano player I mean if I good piano player is decided by what is good piano player is decided by what is good piano playing he knows how to we could figure playing he knows how to we could figure out maybe we don’t know 100 we could out maybe we don’t know 100 we could figure out we could sort of answer that figure out we could sort of answer that question but the good human we kind question but the good human we kind answer this one that could answer you’re answer this one that could answer you’re telling we don’t that Mak sense and the telling we don’t that Mak sense and the and the and the leader can and the and the leader can right tell the leader what he’s for what right tell the leader what he’s for what I don’t know if it’s an argument what I don’t know if it’s an argument what you have to find the person that can you have to find the person that can tell the leader what he’s what he’s for tell the leader what he’s what he’s for okay meaning maybe there’s a way to okay meaning maybe there’s a way to figure this out yeah we have to work our figure this out yeah we have to work our way out maybe there is a way to figure way out maybe there is a way to figure out how did we figure out what good out how did we figure out what good piano playing is we recognize it no I piano playing is we recognize it no I mean we recognize it but by According to mean we recognize it but by According to some criteria yeah we didn’t see it and some criteria yeah we didn’t see it and make it up well maybe the criteria was make it up well maybe the criteria was made up by whoever made up the rules of made up by whoever made up the rules of the game what do you mean we feel don’t the game what do you mean we feel don’t I don’t have any feeling of what good I don’t have any feeling of what good piano playing is so then you don’t know piano playing is so then you don’t know what good piano playing is no because I what good piano playing is no because I mean it’s not like makes me feel good or mean it’s not like makes me feel good or something like that it’s it’s something like that it’s it’s um let’s say something like uh you have um let’s say something like uh you have to be able to keep the tune correct or to be able to keep the tune correct or something like that it’s more than something like that it’s more than there’s more things but that’s one at there’s more things but that’s one at least one thing that I can actually least one thing that I can actually answer the question there’s always more answer the question there’s always more things you also have to not be sick and things you also have to not be sick and therefore being able to listen and your therefore being able to listen and your ears have to not you say that kind of ears have to not you say that kind of thing about people too you have to not thing about people too you have to not be this and not be that and also be this be this and not be that and also be this and course you could meaning depending and course you could meaning depending on what criteria you’re looking to on what criteria you’re looking to satisfy but I would say an ideal person satisfy but I would say an ideal person definitely um you know can can move definitely um you know can can move around can uh think okay but that’s very around can uh think okay but that’s very good said so some of them we know we do good said so some of them we know we do know maybe we know I don’t know maybe we know maybe we know I don’t know maybe we do I don’t think it’s because we have do I don’t think it’s because we have some feeling is because so what is the some feeling is because so what is the problem that the humans have that rock problem that the humans have that rock St because human actions don’t have this St because human actions don’t have this going for them for the most part okay going for them for the most part okay it’s true for like you say if you want it’s true for like you say if you want to talk about humans have good human to talk about humans have good human having to have two legs and being able having to have two legs and being able to use them I I mean that sounds to use them I I mean that sounds reasonable at least I don’t know if reasonable at least I don’t know if everyone agrees but it sounds reasonable everyone agrees but it sounds reasonable to me but if you talk about should it be to me but if you talk about should it be a or a sports player I don’t know of a a or a sports player I don’t know of a good way of answering that question I good way of answering that question I mean I do know what it’s a question mean I do know what it’s a question or should he be a should he like uh be or should he be a should he like uh be generous or stingy I don’t know how do I generous or stingy I don’t know how do I how do you answer such a question should it be an active person question should it be an active person or a contemplative person should he have or a contemplative person should he have a lot of friends or a few friends I a lot of friends or a few friends I don’t know there’s so many different don’t know there’s so many different kinds of people should I work for or for both both of them sound like good things both both of them sound like good things we accept them to be good things but we accept them to be good things but like which one is the best better like which one is the best better thing oneone of them are better than the other one is better than the other of other one is better than the other of course which is better I don’t know why course which is better I don’t know why would why does why does it have to be would why does why does it have to be one better they’re both just as good and one better they’re both just as good and I I think anything that’s that’s varied I I think anything that’s that’s varied at at a higher level is is Consolidated at at a higher level is is Consolidated right so right so I just made up a whole whole Cloud that I just made up a whole whole Cloud that I don’t know why we would have I don’t know why we would have it okay that’s it okay that’s enough is that we have to try to figure enough is that we have to try to figure out the language that people spoke and out the language that people spoke and therefore we have to try to be very therefore we have to try to be very stupid and therefore we we should stupid and therefore we we should remember that all the yish people that remember that all the yish people that are talking about have conceptions of are talking about have conceptions of good the good or what a good person is good the good or what a good person is that are based on different questions that are based on different questions that the ones that we have and we try that the ones that we have and we try to open up a certain question and notice to open up a certain question and notice maybe what the question is about what a maybe what the question is about what a good person is or what makes a good good person is or what makes a good person good or how he would know that person good or how he would know that that’s all I do today thank you very that’s all I do today thank you very much where my uh